Not sure why you’re responding with that amount of hostility, I don’t feel I did anything to warrant it?
Matrix’s creation and development for the first 3 years was funded by Amdocs, as evidenced on the Matrix.org website itself:
How is Matrix[.]org funded?
For the first three years of Matrix’s development (2014-2017), most of the core contributors worked for Amdocs, who paid for them to work fulltime on Matrix. In July 2017, Amdocs considered the project to be sufficiently successful that it could now self-support and so stopped funding. The majority of the core team is now employed by Element, an independent company set up to hire the team and support Matrix’s development. Other contributors are funded by their own employers or donate their own time to the project.
Amdocs is a telecom company that was founded in Israel, and later went on to run much of the US’s telecom infrastructure. It has long been suspected to be involved in espionage for the Israeli government.
One of their revenue streams is providing their services to law enforcement, as they admit to here, which I’m not particularly comfortable with, personally.
So you’re confirming my point
When I say 10,000+, I mean it may not scale to encrypting that amount of people in a single room, not that the service itself cannot scale beyond that. Due to its distributed nature, it can avoid being bogged down by having many thousands of users, but if 10,000 people all tried to go into a single encrypted room where all those messages would have to be sent all at once, that room would, I assume, bog down. That’s an insanely unlikely situation to ever occur, as any public server that could grow to that size would not have encryption turned on anyway (and Discord itself, the thing we’re trying to replace, doesn’t have any encryption at all).
Then you’re mixing out Element with Matrix, alleging they provide services to law enforcement. Not the same thing my friend, if you have a problem with Element, fine, then get another client. What’s the problem?
You’re just proving my point again on scalability, get off the keyboard lol
You’re response amounts to “Okay, so what if it was created and funded by an Israeli company known for espionage? They spun it off into a non-profit, which somehow removes any connection between those two things now.”
As to Element, they are, in their own words, made up of ex-Matrix Staff.
They’re legally distinct entities if that matters, but they’re still from the same likely compromised institution.
If you like Matrix and find absolutely nothing concerning about the connections of the two most influential entities in that space, than by all means, carry on.
They spun it off into a non-profit, which somehow removes any connection between those two things now
Yes, by definition, but we can keep going.
[BIG PICTURE TO PROVE NOTHING]
You can’t reject the Matrix Foundation because it’s a non-profit. There is no credible evidence that Israel (government or intelligence agencies) funds or controls Matrix as a protocol.
If you like Matrix and find absolutely nothing concerning about the connections of the two most influential entities in that space, than by all means, carry on.
If you write a client that uses a protocol to communicate over the internet, you better stick to that protocol, no? I mean, think about it for a second? What’s wrong with youuuu? lol
Try taking your head out of your arse for five seconds and bring minimal evidence when you make accusations like that lol
So you’re confirming my point, you could have refrained from making a fool of yourself
Not sure why you’re responding with that amount of hostility, I don’t feel I did anything to warrant it?
Matrix’s creation and development for the first 3 years was funded by Amdocs, as evidenced on the Matrix.org website itself:
Amdocs is a telecom company that was founded in Israel, and later went on to run much of the US’s telecom infrastructure. It has long been suspected to be involved in espionage for the Israeli government.
One of their revenue streams is providing their services to law enforcement, as they admit to here, which I’m not particularly comfortable with, personally.
When I say 10,000+, I mean it may not scale to encrypting that amount of people in a single room, not that the service itself cannot scale beyond that. Due to its distributed nature, it can avoid being bogged down by having many thousands of users, but if 10,000 people all tried to go into a single encrypted room where all those messages would have to be sent all at once, that room would, I assume, bog down. That’s an insanely unlikely situation to ever occur, as any public server that could grow to that size would not have encryption turned on anyway (and Discord itself, the thing we’re trying to replace, doesn’t have any encryption at all).
Because I know exactly who I’m dealing with here, that’s gross misinformation.
Congrats you’ve found where it was founded, now it’s an independent non-profit. What’s wrong with you?
https://matrix.org/blog/2025/06/dispelling-myths
Then you’re mixing out Element with Matrix, alleging they provide services to law enforcement. Not the same thing my friend, if you have a problem with Element, fine, then get another client. What’s the problem?
You’re just proving my point again on scalability, get off the keyboard lol
You’re response amounts to “Okay, so what if it was created and funded by an Israeli company known for espionage? They spun it off into a non-profit, which somehow removes any connection between those two things now.”
As to Element, they are, in their own words, made up of ex-Matrix Staff.
They’re legally distinct entities if that matters, but they’re still from the same likely compromised institution.
If you like Matrix and find absolutely nothing concerning about the connections of the two most influential entities in that space, than by all means, carry on.
For myself, I’ll stick with XMPP or Deltachat.
Yes, by definition, but we can keep going.
[BIG PICTURE TO PROVE NOTHING]
You can’t reject the Matrix Foundation because it’s a non-profit. There is no credible evidence that Israel (government or intelligence agencies) funds or controls Matrix as a protocol.
If you write a client that uses a protocol to communicate over the internet, you better stick to that protocol, no? I mean, think about it for a second? What’s wrong with youuuu? lol