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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. If you’re wondering why this went up late, I was doing other shit)

(EDIT: Changed “29th February” to “1st March” - its not a leap year)

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    sorry to thread hijack but I have been trying to hire software devs and during interview process we reveal our zero-AI policy for the product codebase (corporate allows it for “debug tooling” in limited amounts). weirdly many candidates are disappointed to hear this and unwilling to proceed.

    in a way we find it refreshing because we want to hire folks that know and learn things. but it is wild how many have expectations to set up an ide day one and it start churning out patches

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      Huh, not what I would have expected. I work for a company that has sadly shifted very AI-focused, with the exception of the actual engineers. Literally none of us likes or uses LLMs. Every other week someone from the C-suite reminds us that we are encouraged to use it, and get 300$ or some such in credits for AI tooling per month, and that they don’t understand why it hasn’t been claimed even once.

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      if you should ever happen to be short on resumes…

      (it feels like a zero AI job board might be a good thing to have, but we’d need a way to vet submissions and handle anonymous submissions and inquiries so people don’t dox themselves)

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        unfortunately AI tools do exist in the company and there are some expectations of use on some teams but it varies depending where in the product you work. anything OS, kernel, bootloaders, filesystem, etc is a strict no AI policy. All the front end teams seem to use something sparingly, couldnt tell you what it is or why.

        without revealing too much personal info, companies like mine aren’t too hard to find but they tend to be somewhat old school. Lots of C programming, some assembly, and digging into the guts of stuff. Anyone doing firmware, infrastructure (like all the big storage guys), or even some of the trading world is highly sensitive to genAI tools because of the risk. Especially if you ship a box rather than some fully cloud connected always updating app. The companies may even say they do something with or about AI then you talk to the loader or kernel team and they will say “absolutely not”. I cannot tell you over the years across a few jobs how often I hear management lamenting how we can never fill recs because we need actual C people or someone not afraid of a terminal debugger. And two of these shops are hugely popular in the tech world. Hope these hints help

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        I would love if there were a way to filter out pro-AI companies. Nothing would make me happier than to have an interviewer tell me “we don’t allow slop here.” Instead, I have to gauge how truthful I can be. Usually, the best I can get away with is “I haven’t personally found it very useful, because I spend more time diagnosing its errors than I would have writing the code from scratch.” (But the truth is I haven’t ever used this sloppy shit. Letting a stochastic parrot speak for me is bonker balls.)

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          Yeah, I haven’t been feeling great about having to nod vigorously and feign enthusiasm for slop on every damn cover letter and interview I’ve had recently. The best I’ve managed is saying I only use it in professional capacity and try to emphasize the personal learning angle as a defense.

          It’s brutal out there and I’m losing hope. I wish I had another industry I could pivot to await the passing of the bubble that gives me the flexibility to be a musician like remote work programming does.

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      many have expectations to set up an ide day one and it start churning out patches

      I just don’t understand the thought process. They must realize that this level of automation wouldn’t require anyone to hire them?