• minorkeys@lemmy.world
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    Yes. Everyone gets it. They’re fascists. Where are the posts helping us figure out what to effectively do about it? We’re very much in the “we have to actually do things” phase. Commenting from the sidelines isn’t helping anything.

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      See the other reply for tips ‘n tricks.

      Also, when your favorite NüTankies bitch about the Democratic candidate explain to them that they’re goddamned morons.

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    That’s literally the point. They are trying to goad the Left into screaming Hitler. When we do so, we generally sound hysterical to the centre and independents whom we need.

    Donald wins when we’re sputtering with rage.

    If you’ve ever been a dick to a younger sibling so they freak out and get in trouble despite technically being in the right, you’ll recognise the tactic.

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      … to the centre and independents whom we need.

      kamala harris said the same thing and so did hillary clinton.

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        ??? Clinton, one of the most unpopular candidates in history, came within a couple hundred thousand votes.

        Harris lost running on massive inflation, in the same wave that saw almost every incumbent government thrown out by historic margins and still came within only a couple of points of trump.

        I’d also argue Harris was a bit doomed because of how hard we took the bait last time and screamed HITLER at every provocation. The independents and centrists who watched that and endured a bad but relatively normal presidency learned the lesson that the Left exaggerates and that their warnings are without merit. If we’d “kept our powder dry” maybe we could’ve convinced them the 6th was as bad as it was but, like my younger sister, we just screamed, took the bait and lost despite being right.

        Call it the party who cried HITLER.

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          axois’ reporting on the dnc’s attempt to suppress the last election’s post mortem investigation and the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

          these people were disaffected by the system in the same way that it disaffected clinton’s voters despite registered democrats outnumbering registered republicans.

          so many are disaffected now that there aren’t enough 3rd party voters to make up for the difference.

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            the yougov polls of pro-biden/anti-harris voters have shown us that harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

            Imagine biting propaganda so hard that in the name of Palestiniansyou actively made things even worse for them and hundreds of thousands if not millions across the world.

            I’d love to see the source on this though because 10 million is a wild number. Harris had 6 million fewer votes than Biden, so somehow losing ten million votes on something that wasn’t the top election issue seems like an… Interesting claim.

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                Homeslice, nothing in there says anything about millions of votes, let alone ten million.

                The closest you get would be

                "the DNC shared with us that their own data also found that policy was, in their words, a ‘net-negative’ in the 2024 election.

                There were many net negative issues, like say, inflation and immigration which rated higher in most polling about voter issues etc.

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            harris lost 10 million votes because of gaza.

            Yet Trump was much worse for Gaza than any of the democrats would have been.

            And that wasn’t a surprise before the election. Trump was Bibi’s buddy the last time he was in power but people conveniently ignored that.

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      ‘Bbbut… My party didnt say they werent Hitler! Ima gonna sit it out until my party fields a candidate that does!’

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    Nothing about this party is subtle, they’ve been openly emulating hitler and the nazis both terms, more openly than ever this new one, and any resistance has since evaporated as now everyone knows democrats won’t enforce the law against them, call them out on stuff, put forth a popular alternative.

    But because you all still collectively trust the democrats to run the opposition, we are doomed to these nazi emulating plutocratic clowns running the show. As we speak, on this thread, passing the buck for forcing doomed to fail candidates, blaming voters for not voting for the candidates we knew they wouldn’t vote for but forced on them anyway.

    But next time I’m sure it will work!

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      as now everyone knows democrats won’t enforce the law against them, call them out on stuff, put forth a popular alternative.

      What do you actually think the Democrats are able to do right now?

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        I can’t tell if you’re being serious or not, but do what is an opposition party is supposed to do? If Republicans love to be a thorn on the side despite being the minority in government before, by obstructionism, why can’t Democrats do the same despite having the minority?

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          The only major thing Republicans have been able to do is win minor concessions by threatening to effectively nuke the country. Democrats are not willing to hold the country hostage in the same manner because there are incredible consequences if the bluff is called. (A prolonged government shutdown stops poor people from eating, sick people from getting medical treatment etc. A refusal to lift the debt ceiling would place America in crippling debt and throw the world into a major financial crisis.)

          During Biden’s term, Republicans looked much stronger because the Supreme court had 6 Conservatives and the Democrats only had 50 seats in the Senate which included Manchin and Sinema. The Democrats have none of that leverage this time.

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            Democrats are trading long term consequences for short term ones. Prolonged government shut down could do those you mentioned, but since Lemmy love the trolley problem so much, need I remind that those are short term pains compared to enabling fascism to take over later down the line? Because when have fascists ever let go of power? And I’m talking about the state of the US government now, not during Biden’s term. Democrats caving in in the previous shutdown doesn’t even look genuine. The Democratic politicians who voted with Republicans just so happened that their terms won’t be up soon, or are about to retire anyway.

            Just look at other countries and the opposition parties do their job as opposition, namely in South Korea and Brazil. They are punishing insurrectionists who tried to subvert democracy. I find that Americans are sedated and still wondering if they are in fascism or not.

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        A hell of a lot more than sit on their hands and ask for more donations to get people to pay them to maybe consider not sitting on their hands. They do, in fact, still hold political office and power, they could fucking use it for anything other than lining their own pockets as crisis profiteers, which is nigh the only fucking thing I see 99% of them doing.

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          They hold none of the three branches.

          They can whine and protest, which they’ve been doing. Literally what else do you expect besides them to hold the country hostage via the debt ceiling or shutdown? (And, I might point out the Dems are in fact threatening a shutdown unless changes are made to ICE.)

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            They could be introducing and proposing bills, they could be voting against things rather than falling in line, they could do whatever they could to obstruct and slow things, instead they’re all just playing respectability politics and campaigning, don’t act like these capitalist fucks are looking out for anyone other than themselves. I want a little less conversation and a little more action.

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              Democrats have voted against almost every significant bill so far.

              What would proposing bills do?

              They’ve been doing the obstruction. You’ve forgotten Hakeem Jefferies’ record setting filibuster because it doesn’t make a lick of difference; “oh yay, the bill was stalled for two days! Mighty victory!”

              The reality is that the Democrats are essentially powerless until the midterms and unfortunately, reality doesn’t change because you wish it were otherwise.

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    American voters still cant be arsed to turn out for the primaries and midterms.

    Just america being america.

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      The primaries issue is the biggest tragedy to me. But, it also makes me chuckle when folks say the Dems answer is to just run a really progressive candidate and then masses of people will come vote for them. The same masses who somehow can never be bothered to make it to the primaries…

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      The funny thing is, im working with a German national rn, and his take on the whole thing us ‘oh, so this is how it happened…’.