I assume this has been covered already (I’m new), and I welcome recommendations of existing material! (E.g. Imperialism by Lenin seems like it’d be relevant)

I’m reading State and Revolution, and am trying to map it to the conditions in the US.

From chapter 2 (emphasis mine):

The overthrow of bourgeois rule can be accomplished only by the proletariat, the particular class whose economic conditions of existence prepare it for this task and provide it with the possibility and the power to perform it. While the bourgeoisie break up and disintegrate the peasantry and all the petty-bourgeois groups, they weld together, unite and organize the proletariat. Only the proletariat — by virtue of the economic role it plays in large-scale production — is capable of being the leader of all the working and exploited people, whom the bourgeoisie exploit, oppress and crush, often not less but more than they do the proletarians, but who are incapable of waging an independent struggle for their emancipation.

My understanding is that large-scale production has largely been moved outside of the US. I imagine this is also true of most imperial core countries.

If that’s true, doesn’t it follow that the US has a small, relatively weak proletariat?

And if THAT’S true, what’s the path to revolution in the US? Without a powerful proletariat, there can’t be a proletarian revolution, right?

I could see one answer being:

  1. Weaken US imperialism (e.g. through revolutions in imperial periphery)
  2. US is forced to re-develop it’s own productive capacity
  3. Developed productive capacity results in strong proletariat
  4. (Wait for contradictions to sharpen?)
  5. Revolution

Another (more likely?) could be:

  1. Get conquered

In both of those cases, the immediate work is to weaken the power of the US as a whole, right?

What are the main tools the US uses to project power, and how could orgs weaken them from within? Organize, obviously, but organize to do what? Mutual aid and unions seem clear, anything else?


I’d also be curious about any work on other paths to revolution in the imperial core. This might be straying outside of Marxist-Leninism, but has there been any theory around a revolution lead by a different class?

E.g. perhaps a deeply racist country could have a revolution based on race? …though the majority of people in the US are white. E.g. the black panthers were threatening enough that the state infiltrated and killed them.


Anyway. Interested in y’all’s thoughts - sorry if these are basic questions.

  • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netM
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    There’s definitely unique circumstances for each subsection of the proletariat, but I would not categorize them as distinct classes. That’s the important bit that I am trying to get across, the US Empire does indeed have a huge proletariat, but this proletariat has its own unique characteristics that color how we have to organize.