I assume this has been covered already (I’m new), and I welcome recommendations of existing material! (E.g. Imperialism by Lenin seems like it’d be relevant)

I’m reading State and Revolution, and am trying to map it to the conditions in the US.

From chapter 2 (emphasis mine):

The overthrow of bourgeois rule can be accomplished only by the proletariat, the particular class whose economic conditions of existence prepare it for this task and provide it with the possibility and the power to perform it. While the bourgeoisie break up and disintegrate the peasantry and all the petty-bourgeois groups, they weld together, unite and organize the proletariat. Only the proletariat — by virtue of the economic role it plays in large-scale production — is capable of being the leader of all the working and exploited people, whom the bourgeoisie exploit, oppress and crush, often not less but more than they do the proletarians, but who are incapable of waging an independent struggle for their emancipation.

My understanding is that large-scale production has largely been moved outside of the US. I imagine this is also true of most imperial core countries.

If that’s true, doesn’t it follow that the US has a small, relatively weak proletariat?

And if THAT’S true, what’s the path to revolution in the US? Without a powerful proletariat, there can’t be a proletarian revolution, right?

I could see one answer being:

  1. Weaken US imperialism (e.g. through revolutions in imperial periphery)
  2. US is forced to re-develop it’s own productive capacity
  3. Developed productive capacity results in strong proletariat
  4. (Wait for contradictions to sharpen?)
  5. Revolution

Another (more likely?) could be:

  1. Get conquered

In both of those cases, the immediate work is to weaken the power of the US as a whole, right?

What are the main tools the US uses to project power, and how could orgs weaken them from within? Organize, obviously, but organize to do what? Mutual aid and unions seem clear, anything else?


I’d also be curious about any work on other paths to revolution in the imperial core. This might be straying outside of Marxist-Leninism, but has there been any theory around a revolution lead by a different class?

E.g. perhaps a deeply racist country could have a revolution based on race? …though the majority of people in the US are white. E.g. the black panthers were threatening enough that the state infiltrated and killed them.


Anyway. Interested in y’all’s thoughts - sorry if these are basic questions.

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    Others to recommend : Imperialism: the highest stage of Capitalism by Lenin also Wretched of the Earth by Franz Fanon for analysis of the national struggle under neo colonialism, racism, etc.,

    Who isnt proletarian? The bourgeoisie. Middle classes are synthetic classes that are unstable under capitalism, their character differs from time to time, place to place. Practically, the concrete interests of petite bourg and middle classes must be split, dragging along a significant portion. This is where politics and organizing is very important.

    Lumpen is more of a class character than an actual class, it only exists as an indirect relation to the reserve army of capital, but Marx’s analysis of the Lumpen population in the 18th Brumaire is extremely relevant to us in many ways.

    The sector reflects industrial class interests, there are parts of a sector that have different class character than others. The idea is to organize a whole industry rather than smaller craft unions, like where teachers, admin, and service workers all have different unions and contracts in the same building. That is related to labor and union organizing which also often involves resistance to entrenched bureaucracies, creating democratic reform caucuses etc.,

    Edit: figuring out exactly what your local conditions are, what their class characteristics are, and organizing on that basis is what we need to be focused on in our day to day. This looks more like talking with people, power mapping and list work than trying to fit people into the categories.

    Getting out of the habit of making categories out of everything is an essential step in the process of radicalizing. Marxism isnt a new way of making categories it is a way of determining our actual conditions. Name the actual problem you and others in your network face, and help others name the problem, do not start with the names of problems and build abstractions from them.