I’ve said this for years. MA was the political head of the most reactionary absolutist faction in France and supported an even more tyrannical government than the sun king’s, to the extent her own husband’s party had to disavow them.
They were a bunch of violent thugs who triggered the September massacres by crashing a party of constitutional monarchists and republicans.
To ignore this is sexism. She wasn’t some clueless shrinking violet she was a Habsburg, trained from birth to rule, did so competently (well, more so than her husband), but played the game of thrones and lost.
played the game of thrones and lost.
This is just like Gambo Thrones
Come on can I just have fun with a turn of phrase just once?
I have absolutely no sympathy for royal families getting liquidated for the very simple reason that every royal dynasty ascended the throne through the overthrow and liquidation of the previous royal dynasty and understands that when their time comes, they deserve nothing less than liquidation. The Jacobins and Bolsheviks did not do what another rival feudal family wouldn’t have done in their place.
Your royal family got overthrown by a usurper, so now it’s time for the previous royal bloodline (eg your extended family) to be exterminated. Don’t like it, then gouge out your eyes, mutilate your genitals, and join a monastery. Antoinette could’ve abdicated and joined a convent as a nun. As a woman, she didn’t have to gouge out her eyes nor mutilate her genitals before taking her vows of stfu, but she didn’t, so them’s the breaks.
Antoinette could’ve abdicated and joined a convent as a nun
actually they were abolished by the revolution, so she couldn’t lol. her path to not losing her head was more “not commit an enormous heap of treason”
Yeah, and you can’t say the revolutionaries didn’t give her like a dozen separate chances to stop with the treason.
Note to self: if you’re a queen, whom the people don’t like because you are a woman and Austrian, which is admittedly unjustified, like a ‘bad boyar, good tsar’ thing, or generally any monarch
Don’t try to worsen things for yersel when you veto many measures of the provisional constitutional monarchy and especially do not conspire to have foreign countries invade that area, and indirectly radicalize much of the constitutional monarchy to become anti-monarchist Republican.
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4 year old video
some kind of lib takes
this oblongs in slop
this video is so sloppy and the audio is hideous.
heap of factual errors because they’re just vibing from the super loose powerpoint script and not well acquainted with the course of events. contrapoints is way more wrong than seems reasonable and the OP steps into bullshit by thinking contrapoints is halfway right
‘marie antoinette’s treason could have resulted in a devastating war’? look up the war of the first coalition
‘MA should have been executed for real charges’ she was, the incest shit was not the lynchpin of the prosecution
There’s a million liberal cissies with a platform out there who are as bad as her or worse, but none of them get several threads a week nitpicking their shittiest ideas from 4 years ago. Guess why.
because those people don’t have a history of betraying their much more leftwing former audience with NB phobia, associating with medicalists like buck angel, or hanging out with the clintons?
Look, i agree with that criticism, i’ve just been over all of these problems with little miss truscum in the last contrapoints hate thread we had two days ago, but i don’t think that’s why you people are so obsessed with her. Hexbear has, to give one example, zero qualms constantly riding the dick of openly transphobic anti-woke crank Norman Finkelstein, so if you people can tolerate that anti-BDS, anti-black, misogynist piece of shit but can’t tolerate a piece of shit who is transfeminized, i know what’s the actual problem.
I think people who think Arabs are human beings dislike her because she doesn’t think Arabs are human beings, actually.
And of course all the posts about Contra’s various ancient bad takes are relevant to that, right? Posting about her shit takes on Marie Antoinette from almost half a decade ago?
Yup. People do the same for Hasan. He constantly says things that ragebait people so they do way weirder unrelated things like pretend he’s a dog torturer. You’re just implying that pro-palestinian people are transphobes, even more so than zionists. Which is just very strange.
You’re just implying that pro-palestinian people are transphobes, even more so than zionists
How do you even come to this conclusion
Try reading the thread, I guess. Or like, the rest of the comment you’re quoting.
I am in no way implying that, fuck head, don’t Ziojacket me.
Am I criticizing the slop posting of her Islamophobic rants right now, jackass? I specifically referenced the various posts about her old bad takes like THIS VERY POST we’re commenting on.
This is in such unfathomable bad faith, I really hope this website actually cracks down on transmisogyny one day.
I recognize your position but I really think people here are fixated on Natalie because she is a propagandist for the bourgeoisie, not because she is a transwoman. I mean the megathread at this very moment is celebrating a transwoman who is on the “right side of history”.
There are hundreds of bourgeois propagandists. That’s not an answer.
the megathread at this very moment is celebrating a transwoman who is on the “right side of history”.
Yes. The trans megathread. Also, “transwoman”
trans woman
Oh, the trans megathread features a trnas woman, that must mean the site is fine with us. Nah, sorry, it takes a bit more to convince me when some stupid motherfucker just openly told me that people get a transphobia pass as long as they are against genociding more important minorities.
TC69 cultural revolution when?
Hexbear is the best place on lemmyverse for trans people because that’s an incredibly low bar to clear, as it is in so many other places online and irl. Even before the Contrapoints posting this week there was already a thread on that mega in response to another incident lamenting the fact that we can’t even trust our cis hexbear comrades to not post transphobia. But at least in that case, he learned and apologized instead of posting excuses through it all.
Also the reason you’re getting clowned on for “transwoman” is that the spelling is used to distance us from womanhood and put us into a third gender category. Please use trans woman going forward.
I didnt know there was a delineation between the two terms, so this thread has been informative for me. thank yall for teaching me something
you people are so obsessed
i pay no attention to her except for some of the time she’s posted on here.
i won’t defend the critical flaws of Finkelstein or Mearschimer etc, they get positive engagement when they say correct things or clown on people we don’t like. maybe natalie should try saying something correct and heterodox about geopolitics or make an original dunk on somebody relevant?
anti-woke crank Norman Finkelstein, so if you people can tolerate that anti-BDS, anti-black, misogynist piece of shit but can’t tolerate a piece of shit who is transfeminized, i know what’s the actual problem.
Jesus, that’s really harsh, I really can’t recall Finkelstein saying something seriously problematic about trans or black people. Open to evidence that he is, I just have never seen that side of him. I know he mocks woke or w/e but I haven’t heard anything too bad
He’s very openly transphobic and has mocked Angela Davis in the past.
I knew about the transpobia, but daaaang, also racist and mysoginistic? I haven’t seen much of his stuff but how does this get swept under the rug?
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Thanks for outright telling me my rights are just window dressing to you that must be discarded at the first opportunity. Seriously, go fuck yourself, you opportunist swine. If i had Finkelstein’s shit takes on BDS, you would call for my head while constantly misgendering me.
There’s plenty of anti-genocide intellectuals who aren’t disgusting transphobes that this website doesn’t pay any attention to. Why the specific fixation on the White Jewish Transphobe who constantly dooms about Palestine anyway?
He’s a reactionary crank, hexbear loves that aesthetic so much that they can even forgive the fact that he’s a “moderate” zionist.
I really never pegged him for a transphobe or racist but I’ll defer to you on this. I hold him in high regard so reading about him in this light is kind of odd.
He’s fantastic at what he does, studying and chronicling the Palestinian genocide and the region’s history. One of the more powerful voices when it comes to this, and he’s distilled it for the western audience in a way few others have. It’d be extremely disheartening and disappointing if it did turn out that he’s actually a massive bigot against trans and black folk. I’ve seen him make jabs at woke before but I never really attributed it to a deeper reactionary vein in him. I just need to see it for myself
For the record, while I’m not actually aware of the racism though I find it believable, the transphobia isn’t really hidden.
https://www.normanfinkelstein.com/transgender-cult/
In the book he’s excerpting from he goes into even further and more overt detail in the broader transphobic rant - his general opinion seems to be a rehash of the old ‘homosexuality is bourgiese decadence’ thing, but applied to being transgender instead.
It’s really quite obvious and heinous in the book, there’s even a moment where the conceptual connection is made clear and he went so far as to plausibly-deniably imply that being homosexual should still be considered a mental illness.
I know this isn’t what you are saying, but I genuinely think a ton of people on here used to massively stan her and think her work really meant something, and now that she’s turned out to be the absolute worst they can’t stop torturing themselves over it.
A few years ago, she was chumming up to the online left at the same time as trolling trans communities, and I imagine quite a few people feel kind of guilty about turning a bling eye to that, so again, they obsess over her. It’s a pretty smart media strategy tbh.
I’ve grown out of liking her myself, i have distanced myself from pretty much her entire perspective on trans womanhood, i’ve politically always been to the left of her, but somehow i am not constantly tearing into her every time she should have put her phone away instead of sending a post. And honestly, it’s not particularly hard. I simply don’t have time for hating trans women i have never met as long as men exist.
we overcame the site’s obsession with Vaush, maybe we shift the
treatment to contrapoints at this point.Yeah, I don’t think there’s much to say on her anymore beyond “yep. Her takes are garbage” she no longer has the influence she used to and thrives on internet drama, the best thing to do with someone like that is to not waste our time talking about their nonsense, old or new.
I think it’s worth considering that this website is extremely terminally online in a specifically entertainment-media-and-twitter direction and so Contra has more salience to them as a “breadtuber” (something many people here still bear some attachment to) than e.g. public intellectuals and the like. This is especially magnified by Nat’s method of constantly posting left-punching ragebait on Twitter to make up for the once a year upload schedule she’s on. Also there was the Palestine statement and I think at this point multiple subtweets directed at this site’s current Streamer Daddy. These factors combine to make her have a greater level of psychological salience for this audience even though she does not remotely merit it.
I agree with the other poster that she deserves the
treatment like that other ragebaiting, compatible “left” asshole, because I certainly agree with you that there’s a severe bias and it’s counterproductive to everyone involved except for Contra, who gets more attention and thereby money with her bullshit.Considering everything else about the site, from the general culture to their being defensive-to-merely-dismissive of characters like Philosophy Tube (outside of specifically criticizing her silence on Palestine), I don’t think the problem is that the site hates trans women. There’s probably something to be said for the more generic misogyny of how reactionary left-identifying people will, for example, talk about hating “white women” to smuggle in the real object of their hatred (women in general), especially since Contra very aggressively plays up the sassy girl boss “slay queen” stuff, but I don’t think that’s the same thing.
Edit: I revised it because I realized one of the points I made was indefensibly foolish. Sorry about that.
I agree with you. The Contrapoints posts are getting old. I mean for fuck’s sake this one is 5 years ago now. Why does it even matter?
This video is 6 hours old
I really empathize with her struggle with dysphoria and I think go a little softer on her as a result. What bothers me about her is that she’s a de-radicalizer for leftists. I know and see so many people with a sky-high opinion of her who can’t see the faults in her ideology that capitalism and Zionism aren’t going anywhere so the most revolutionary thing you can do is vote Democrat.
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Did the peasants and urban workers of France deserve they’re oppression and exploitation for hundreds of years?
If we start the clock with Hugh Capet in 987AD and with the revolution in 1792 we are looking at just over 800 years, if we really want to get down to the brass tacks of the French Crown
She deserved worse.
Monarchs are gonna be pieces of shit a healthy portion of the time, them’s the rules in class warfare, I’d like to hope instead of supporting historical villainous scum in frill she just really wanted to cosplay the look and there’s an old issue of good aesthetics means good in the eyes of idealists, but that’s some naive thinking out loud, this is just opportunism.
I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
