• AssortedBiscuits [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Europe should’ve cozied up with China if they feel like cozying up with Russia is politically untenable and geopolitically unsound. But Europe and Europeans are far too Sinophobic, so they can look forward to further vassaldom by the US.

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      China cannot provide energy to Europe in the short term. Europe has to get that either from the USA, from Russia or from the Middle East (or some combination of the 3)

      Since the imperialists have disabled all the Russian pipelines into Europe, and pretty permanently burned the bridges of their relations with Russia now Russia is pretty much off the table for a few decades at least. Plus their capacity is all going to China now anyway, and their oil and gas infrastructure is also being harried by Ukrainian attacks on Russian tankers, depots and refineries. They’ve layered so many sanctions onto Russia it will basically be legally impossible to unwind it, they’ve dug themselves a hole.

      The Middle East is now off the table, since Europe stood by and watched a genocide for 3 years build into a massive regional war and let America escalate the war that then wiped out all of it in the short to medium term. For 5 years at least (even if the war ended and the strait opened today) the Middle East will be unable to provide any significant amount of energy to the EU. They could have intensely pressured the US and Israel to reel it in at any point since October 2023, but instead they have done the opposite, giving them diplomatic cover and military logistical assistance and censoring and brutalizing their own populations on behalf of Zionism.

      So the EU had a chance where they could be independent, but they blew it. It’s probably too late now. They are now slaves to the USA energy markets for the medium term future at least - and yes, it is entirely the fault of European leadership and their myopic ideological view that allows the US to easily corner them and force them into whatever position it wants. If they had been less sinophobic, less russophobic, less zionist and pushed back more against the USA to guarantee Minsk 1 & 2 and the JCPOA then none of this would be happening, but everytime Israel/the USA commit barbarous and perfidious acts, they are always there to cover for them and side with them reflexively.

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        So the EU had a chance where they could be independent, but they blew it. It’s probably too late now. They are now slaves to the USA energy markets for the medium term future at least - and yes, it is entirely the fault of European leadership and their myopic ideological view that allows the US to easily corner them and force them into whatever position it wants. If they had been less sinophobic, less russophobic, less zionist and pushed back more against the USA to guarantee Minsk 1 & 2 and the JCPOA then none of this would be happening, but everytime Israel/the USA commit barbarous and perfidious acts, they are always there to cover for them and side with them reflexively.

        Couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s akin to striving for freeing the superstructure while piling chains on the base so to speak as while technological dependence is an issue its a lesser one than the real problems they’ve gotten themselves in and it’s pure liberal rose-tinted glasses that convinces them otherwise. There is no way this can lead to any kind of independence from the US given the overall situation.

        If anything it’s a smokescreen to rah-rah-rah against the US for EU audiences while actually creating a draconian censorship regime over the internet that is responsive to the EU in particular which crushes, deplatforms, censors, criminalizes pro-Palestine speech, anti-EU speech, anything critical of the EU-Atlantacist foreign policy blob, etc. They want complete control over speech and the internet within their borders. So it’s an attempt at exercising some limited autonomy rather than being entirely subservient to the latest whims of whatever US admin just got in power and decides that they must destroy woke or other nonsense which isn’t great for the stability of the liberal project long-term. And that last sentence I think is the real problem. Trump has been leaning on them trying to push American culture war crap which doesn’t sit right with European liberals who have decided that kind of thing is ‘Russian’ so this is their attempt to prevent the US from gaining that leverage over them but it’s too little too late given all else that’s happened. Some good things like a few open source projects will get funded via it at least.

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        If they had been less sinophobic, less russophobic, less zionist and pushed back more against the USA to guarantee Minsk 1 & 2 and the JCPOA then none of this would be happening, but everytime Israel/the USA commit barbarous and perfidious acts, they are always there to cover for them and side with them reflexively.

        There is no conceivable geopolitical benefit for the EU to entertain notions of Taiwanese separatism or any other anti-Chinese talking point like the US. Absolutely nobody in Taiwan thinks the EU will help them, and I seriously doubt your average Euro could tell Asians apart anyways. They don’t even lost out that much relative to the US once China becomes a hegemonic power. At least Australia gets the excuse that they’re geographically close to China when the EU doesn’t even have that.

        But apparently the European brainpan can do nothing but seethe that they are being eclipsed by Asian countries they still think inferior despite being Asians themselves. The thought of being Asian is so revolting that they would rather larp as living on some fake continent and be pushed around by a bunch of even faker settler-colonial societies.