I doubt anybody clawed themselves to anything. People rarely are able to change their class just by working hard. It almost always takes a generational wealth transfer of some sort
I just don’t like your class privilege being bandied about frivolously. You are in minority of people who could even come close to affording those things, and you don’t seem to even care
Edit: Also, who is “we”? You and the mouse in your pocket? The royal we? Do you have multiple people using this account and commenting?
dude, you are talking to fricking Pele… have some respect. (also a really wierd take to complain about using “we”, you could just assume that they are either talking about them or their family, who fecking cares?)
Not defending that fool, but, " plenty of people can still do it!" is a pretty fucking brainless tangential excuse and no reason at all. For anything.
That’s the same shit logic people use when discussing what should be made illegal. “We cannot regulate corporations because plenty would still be able to do bad things!”
OK then… Let’s ignore the accelerating economic crisis because some people still have money! Hooray! Everything’s easy when you can just ignore problems!
Affordable to whom? People who have high enough paying jobs to actually save and are also able to take time off from work? That’s “plenty” of people, sure. But they’re all assholes. At least here in the U.S.
It’s the way you view the world when you grew up dirt poor, and continue to be dirt poor despite doing everything that you were “supposed” to do to have a comfortable life and realize that you will never own a home or retire (literally the only things I’ve ever wanted since childhood) because you’re in that perfect sweet spot where your COL will always outpace you wage increases, even if you switch to a better job every 2-3 years. Am I bitter? Yes. But I’m not going to pretend that people that make upper six figures, own multiple cars and homes are in the same class as I am just to make myself feel better.
We do things very inexpensively in real life so we can afford to go to Hawaii every so often. We have super old cars so we can afford to go to Hawaii every so often. I know you’re trolling, I just don’t get why. Last comment.
The middle class is a myth in the United States. Has been for a long time. The rest of the western world is not where I live, so I don’t really care about how they live.
Hawaii flights from Seattle are less than going to anywhere else in the country, if you look for them on sale through Alaska or Hawaiian. Make sure you sign up for their miles account because that’s how you get the deals.
You can also find deals on small hotels or airbnb’s (in Honolulu only) for very cheap if you get the ahead of time. You have to do everything at least 6 months in advance.
I rent the cars usually through Costco and then watch them. Sometimes it goes down. If you rent on Costco, you can cancel at any time, so if you find a better price, take it. They also don’t do the scammy shit if you do it through Costco.
We eat out once and do lots of free shit, because Hawaii is awesome for free things to do if you like to hike or explore.
Translation: I own multiple cars
Translation: Has disposable income enough to go on multiple trips to Hawaii
How dare someone manage to claw themselves into the middle class! For shame!
Seriously dude take a chill pill
I doubt anybody clawed themselves to anything. People rarely are able to change their class just by working hard. It almost always takes a generational wealth transfer of some sort
Sure? We live in Seattle, it’s pretty cheap to go to Hawaii. I’m not sure of what you’re trying to say, tbh.
I just don’t like your class privilege being bandied about frivolously. You are in minority of people who could even come close to affording those things, and you don’t seem to even care
Edit: Also, who is “we”? You and the mouse in your pocket? The royal we? Do you have multiple people using this account and commenting?
dude, you are talking to fricking Pele… have some respect. (also a really wierd take to complain about using “we”, you could just assume that they are either talking about them or their family, who fecking cares?)
Oh fuck off, going on holiday is something plenty of people can afford.
Not defending that fool, but, " plenty of people can still do it!" is a pretty fucking brainless tangential excuse and no reason at all. For anything.
That’s the same shit logic people use when discussing what should be made illegal. “We cannot regulate corporations because plenty would still be able to do bad things!”
OK then… Let’s ignore the accelerating economic crisis because some people still have money! Hooray! Everything’s easy when you can just ignore problems!
Affordable to whom? People who have high enough paying jobs to actually save and are also able to take time off from work? That’s “plenty” of people, sure. But they’re all assholes. At least here in the U.S.
You would’ve had a point if you didn’t label them all assholes.
I still had a point. People just don’t like being called out
That’s a very interesting way to view the world.
There are a surprising number of these losers on lemmy.
They think having literally any money, any financial stability or disposable income makes you the ‘ultra rich’ enemy.
Owning a car is too rich for many of them, forget owning a house, and if your net worth ever exceeds a million dollars you need the guillotine.
Then they’re shocked the working class aren’t on board with them.
Once upon a time, a net worth of a million was a fortune. Now, it’s basically the minimum for a comfortable retirement.
Inflation has made millionaires working class.
If people that can save up a million dollars for a comfortable retirement are working class, what class are the rest of us then?
It’s the way you view the world when you grew up dirt poor, and continue to be dirt poor despite doing everything that you were “supposed” to do to have a comfortable life and realize that you will never own a home or retire (literally the only things I’ve ever wanted since childhood) because you’re in that perfect sweet spot where your COL will always outpace you wage increases, even if you switch to a better job every 2-3 years. Am I bitter? Yes. But I’m not going to pretend that people that make upper six figures, own multiple cars and homes are in the same class as I am just to make myself feel better.
We do things very inexpensively in real life so we can afford to go to Hawaii every so often. We have super old cars so we can afford to go to Hawaii every so often. I know you’re trolling, I just don’t get why. Last comment.
I’m not trolling. Rich people just piss me off. Everybody else is doing things “very inexpensively” and and still not affording those trips.
This is middle class, nowhere close to rich. This is actually how most of the western world lives.
It sounds like you’re a very bitter, miserable person to be honest.
The middle class is a myth in the United States. Has been for a long time. The rest of the western world is not where I live, so I don’t really care about how they live.
Let me help you then.