Until the vast majority go out and become their own personal Luigi Mangione, nothing will get done.
I love the fire, and there’s definitely gonna be a need for some more Luigi’s to carry out those exceptional tasks that don’t benefit from “too many cooks”, but IMO we need the proletarian majority to organize and collaborate to overthrow the system. So we don’t necessarily need a majority of people to actually go out and fight (but we do definitely need some!); we need a majority to collaborate with a sufficient number of people who do carry out violent actions for proletarian emancipation.
In my country, your comment would be illegal. As in against the law for encouraging violence.
I dont care what your ideology is. I do see your wish for violence and extra-judicial killings and it disgusts me.
So many criminals against humanity thought they were doing their massacres for a good fight, that it was necessary. You are just the same.
I wish you could express your ideas without the need to encourage violence. I find even more pathetic that you encourage others to do the violence for you.
PS : you can be a revolutionary without being violent.
Which as an anarchist means I’m doing something right
Edit: wait a minute, your instance is a .lu, i.e. Luxembourg?!? Like your government is simultaneously a monarchy and a tax haven. Of course my ideas are fucking illegal there! It’s everything I fucking despise! I shit on your government and all their laws, and I take their condemnation as the utmost praise. 💩💩💩💩
I dont care what your ideology is. I do see your wish for violence and extra-judicial killings and it disgusts me.
Counterpoint: judicial killings are just extra-judicial killings with extra steps.
I wish for the minimum possible amount of violence in the transition to anarchy. It’s not my goddamn fault that the capitalists are so fucking vile that they won’t let us do this without violence.
So many criminals against humanity thought they were doing their massacres for a good fight, that it was necessary. You are just the same.
: “I want to destroy everyone and everything that isn’t profitable.”
: “I’m willing to use violence to stop them.”
: “I literally cannot tell the difference.”
I wish you could express your ideas without the need to encourage violence.
Yeah and I wish the capitalists didn’t constantly deploy the fucking militaries and police of the world to constantly destroy people and subjugate the masses, and people in Hell want ice water. We’re gonna have to fight these fuckers. Tough shit.
I find even more pathetic that you encourage others to do the violence for you.
Because we can’t do this shit alone.
PS : you can be a revolutionary without being violent.
Yes that is exactly my point. You don’t personally have to be violent to contribute to a revolution. You just need to learn to collaborate with the people who are willing to do violence. I support a diversity of tactics…but sometimes, we gotta fight.
This is the main french Lemmy instance using a luxembourg domain.
What a weird rant.
Counterpoint: judicial killings are just extra-judicial killings with extra steps.
Who the fuck are you to decide who gets to live or die ?
I dont give a shit if you are anarchist or techno-fascist :
You are a hateful person that is coward enough to ask other people to bloody their hands in extra judicial killings for your cause.
You have no arguments at all against me for rejecting your violence and so you tried your bullshit about Luxembourg which makes you look even weaker.
A judge in France would definitely condemn you for inciting violence and would be right to do so. Freedom of speech is not absolute in France and inciting other citizens to do extra judicial killings is unsurprisingly frowned upon here and therefore illegal. And just because you are an anarchist doest give you some kind of murder pass.
So you can scream and cry or try to find other bullshit lines to attack me personally but I know you know that in siding with violent people you are part of the problem.
This is the main french Lemmy instance using a luxembourg domain.
Excellent. Unfortunately I don’t have a burning Luxembourg flag on hand, but thankfully I can now respond with a burning flag emoji. So fuck Fr*nce and their settler-colonialist laws too. 💩
Who the fuck are you to decide who gets to live or die ?
Why don’t you apply that exact same indignation to the State?
Also I guess killing in self-defense isn’t a thing? Because the capitalists attack us, all of us, the whole goddamn planet, every hour of every day with their destruction.
Also also, the exact point I’m making is that you don’t have to kill people to participate in a revolution.
I wish you would be fucking useful and cut out the liberal hand wringing bootlicking bullshit. you sound like a CNN news pundit. you probably had a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk, didn’t you, you limp noodle centrist.
Here is a quote of the original commenter I was responding to :
and there’s definitely gonna be a need for some more Luigi’s to carry out those exceptional tasks that don’t benefit from “too many cooks”, but IMO we need the proletarian majority to *organize* and *collaborate* to overthrow the system.
Is saying that we need more Luigi’s to carry out exceptional tasks just “organising” ?
So this is just non-violent organization ?
And if you are referring to the other commenter he straight up said that sometimes we need a little bit of violence to make the world better.
Are you sure you understand what my criticism of violence is ?
naivety. or willful ignorance. you’re from what, France? your very existence is the result of violence wrought upon millions of enslaved peoples. your nation still has enslaved colonies. and now you’re turning your nose up at a little more violence to make the world a better place? you think this faux pacifism makes you a better person?
you wallow in your bloody self-entitled privilege like a fat little genocidal piggy. the very least of violent leftist activists is a far better person than you will ever be, you self-righteous liberal hack.
You are blaming me for the violence other commited and then point out at the other commenter that encourage people to commit murder on people he doesn’t like and now that is fine. I’m the bad guy here for being born in a country that commited atrocities in its past many generations before me. Should I blame modern Americans for the history of slavery of the country ? The whole argument is so dumb.
A little more violence to make the world a better place?
Sure thing. If anything can be collectively learned from our common history is that sometimes you just need a little bit more violence to make things right… What a joke.
Violence brings… more violence. Also when people see someone dear to them getting assassinated, what do you think they will seek ? Revenge. More violence.
I can absolutely respect any ideology as long as it respects human life. Saying people should be “luigi” because you think they are a bad human being is not ok. But again, for some people the death penalty is ok. For most countries in the world it’s a barbaric practice that should have been long gone.
So yeah, I will always call out people when they encourage for violence and especially when they quite literally encourage assassination without even a mere trial or any opportunity to defend themselves.
It’s so much simpler to just execute someone, nevermind if they might be innocent. And I dare you to tell me no innocent ever got the death penalty. And that was despite a ““trial””.
But here you got an anarchist saying capitalists should be killed by others and that it is “self defence” because of their crime against climate and nobody bats a fucking eye. This is the new normal, let’s eliminate people I don’t like. And then you dare tell me that I would sit idle when the Holocaust comes ? But the way I see it, the holocaust is done and acted upon by people just like you. People that sit on the sideline and encourage others to do their violent bidding.
If you want a revolution and to fight ideas, fight them with your own ideas. Killing a bunch of capitalists at random will not destroy the ideology. And no, a little bit more violence is not what we need to make the world a better place.
Until the vast majority go out and become their own personal Luigi Mangione, nothing will get done.
The corruption isn’t just systemic, it’s integral.
You want to end corruption? Then you must end the whole nation.
I love the fire, and there’s definitely gonna be a need for some more Luigi’s to carry out those exceptional tasks that don’t benefit from “too many cooks”, but IMO we need the proletarian majority to organize and collaborate to overthrow the system. So we don’t necessarily need a majority of people to actually go out and fight (but we do definitely need some!); we need a majority to collaborate with a sufficient number of people who do carry out violent actions for proletarian emancipation.
In my country, your comment would be illegal. As in against the law for encouraging violence.
I dont care what your ideology is. I do see your wish for violence and extra-judicial killings and it disgusts me.
So many criminals against humanity thought they were doing their massacres for a good fight, that it was necessary. You are just the same.
I wish you could express your ideas without the need to encourage violence. I find even more pathetic that you encourage others to do the violence for you.
PS : you can be a revolutionary without being violent.
Which as an anarchist means I’m doing something right
Edit: wait a minute, your instance is a .lu, i.e. Luxembourg?!? Like your government is simultaneously a monarchy and a tax haven. Of course my ideas are fucking illegal there! It’s everything I fucking despise! I shit on your government and all their laws, and I take their condemnation as the utmost praise. 💩💩💩💩
Counterpoint: judicial killings are just extra-judicial killings with extra steps.
I wish for the minimum possible amount of violence in the transition to anarchy. It’s not my goddamn fault that the capitalists are so fucking vile that they won’t let us do this without violence.
Yeah and I wish the capitalists didn’t constantly deploy the fucking militaries and police of the world to constantly destroy people and subjugate the masses, and people in Hell want ice water. We’re gonna have to fight these fuckers. Tough shit.
Because we can’t do this shit alone.
Yes that is exactly my point. You don’t personally have to be violent to contribute to a revolution. You just need to learn to collaborate with the people who are willing to do violence. I support a diversity of tactics…but sometimes, we gotta fight.
I have nothing to do with Luxembourg.
This is the main french Lemmy instance using a luxembourg domain.
What a weird rant.
Who the fuck are you to decide who gets to live or die ?
I dont give a shit if you are anarchist or techno-fascist :
You are a hateful person that is coward enough to ask other people to bloody their hands in extra judicial killings for your cause.
You have no arguments at all against me for rejecting your violence and so you tried your bullshit about Luxembourg which makes you look even weaker.
A judge in France would definitely condemn you for inciting violence and would be right to do so. Freedom of speech is not absolute in France and inciting other citizens to do extra judicial killings is unsurprisingly frowned upon here and therefore illegal. And just because you are an anarchist doest give you some kind of murder pass.
So you can scream and cry or try to find other bullshit lines to attack me personally but I know you know that in siding with violent people you are part of the problem.
Excellent. Unfortunately I don’t have a burning Luxembourg flag on hand, but thankfully I can now respond with a burning flag emoji. So fuck Fr*nce and their settler-colonialist laws too.
💩
Why don’t you apply that exact same indignation to the State?
Also I guess killing in self-defense isn’t a thing? Because the capitalists attack us, all of us, the whole goddamn planet, every hour of every day with their destruction.
Also also, the exact point I’m making is that you don’t have to kill people to participate in a revolution.
I wish you would be fucking useful and cut out the liberal hand wringing bootlicking bullshit. you sound like a CNN news pundit. you probably had a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk, didn’t you, you limp noodle centrist.
Your accusations are empty.
Charlie kirk was a hateful person, and so is the commenter I’m replying to.
typical liberal “both sides are equally bad” when talking about leftists and child molesting Nazis.
Part One: How Nice, Normal People Made The Holocaust Possible.
How is this related to this conversation exactly ?
So because I dont condone killing random people I dont like or agree with, then I let the Holocaust happen ?
Are you sure you understand what my criticism of violence is ?
I don’t believe there was any mention of violence against random people, the person you’ve been talking to definitely talked about organising.
Here is a quote of the original commenter I was responding to :
Is saying that we need more Luigi’s to carry out exceptional tasks just “organising” ?
So this is just non-violent organization ?
And if you are referring to the other commenter he straight up said that sometimes we need a little bit of violence to make the world better.
naivety. or willful ignorance. you’re from what, France? your very existence is the result of violence wrought upon millions of enslaved peoples. your nation still has enslaved colonies. and now you’re turning your nose up at a little more violence to make the world a better place? you think this faux pacifism makes you a better person?
you wallow in your bloody self-entitled privilege like a fat little genocidal piggy. the very least of violent leftist activists is a far better person than you will ever be, you self-righteous liberal hack.
I’m not responsible of my ancestors violence.
It’s a simple concept.
You are blaming me for the violence other commited and then point out at the other commenter that encourage people to commit murder on people he doesn’t like and now that is fine. I’m the bad guy here for being born in a country that commited atrocities in its past many generations before me. Should I blame modern Americans for the history of slavery of the country ? The whole argument is so dumb.
Sure thing. If anything can be collectively learned from our common history is that sometimes you just need a little bit more violence to make things right… What a joke.
Violence brings… more violence. Also when people see someone dear to them getting assassinated, what do you think they will seek ? Revenge. More violence.
I can absolutely respect any ideology as long as it respects human life. Saying people should be “luigi” because you think they are a bad human being is not ok. But again, for some people the death penalty is ok. For most countries in the world it’s a barbaric practice that should have been long gone.
So yeah, I will always call out people when they encourage for violence and especially when they quite literally encourage assassination without even a mere trial or any opportunity to defend themselves.
It’s so much simpler to just execute someone, nevermind if they might be innocent. And I dare you to tell me no innocent ever got the death penalty. And that was despite a ““trial””.
But here you got an anarchist saying capitalists should be killed by others and that it is “self defence” because of their crime against climate and nobody bats a fucking eye. This is the new normal, let’s eliminate people I don’t like. And then you dare tell me that I would sit idle when the Holocaust comes ? But the way I see it, the holocaust is done and acted upon by people just like you. People that sit on the sideline and encourage others to do their violent bidding.
If you want a revolution and to fight ideas, fight them with your own ideas. Killing a bunch of capitalists at random will not destroy the ideology. And no, a little bit more violence is not what we need to make the world a better place.
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I’d argue that ending just one nation will not be enough to end corruption.