• TokenBoomer@lemmy.world
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    They could at least give Iran back their oil. This is like when cops steal your jewelry and claim civil forfeiture.

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      The contraband cargo is now the subject of a civil forfeiture action in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. The United States’ forfeiture complaint alleges that the oil aboard the vessel is subject to forfeiture based on U.S. terrorism and money laundering statutes.

      The complaint alleges a scheme involving multiple entities affiliated with Iran’s IRGC and the IRGC-Qods Force (IRGC-QF) to covertly sell and transport Iranian oil to a customer abroad. Participants in the scheme attempted to disguise the origin of the oil using ship-to-ship transfers, false automatic identification system reporting, falsified documents and other means. The complaint further alleges that the charterer of the vessel used the U.S. financial system to facilitate the transportation of Iranian oil

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            This entire story is about Iran. They are a sovereign country. It doesn’t matter what laws the US makes up and uses to justify piracy.

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              US company, China, US money and multiple moves made to avoid US government from knowing.

              Sure kid

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                    If I were wrong, there would be no wars. Why do you think countries fight with each other? It’s because sovereign nations can’t tell other sovereign nations what to do.

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                  The EU also has sanctions on Iran so a Greek company broke the sactions imposed by its country. They used the US banking system to transfer the money as well and the USA upheld the sanctions of another country.

                  I don’t know why nobody else pointed that out.

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                    If Russia placed a sanction on the United States and started seizing transport ships, would that be legal?

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      It’s the same bullshit with the US “pay us taxes no matter where you are” bullshit.

      It’s clear international overreach just like everything else.

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        All countries do that. Then all countries also want you to “pay us taxes where you live”. Double taxation is a problem for many people, even between countries with tax agreements like in the EU.

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          The US is the only developed country in the world where your tax duty is based on citizenship rather than where you live or work

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      If you tried to transport a kilo of Mexican cocaine through another country and were caught, do you really think Mexico would get its cocaine back?

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          No, but they control what happens aboard ships that fly American flags.

          Do you think the ocean is some sort of lawless no man’s land, where captains do as they please with crew and passengers?

          Well, it isn’t. The ship has a flag, and while aboard you follow the laws of that flag.

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            Yep. But you’re not mentioning why this happened. The Sanctions. Which are…tada- arbitrary and illegal.

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              They are not illegal. All sovereign countries can refuse to trade with any other country or restrict the use of their own currency.

              Which is all that these sanctions amount to.

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                I should have said unethical or extrajudicial. The United States is preventing a sovereign country from trading. Just because it is “legal” by American law doesn’t make it ethical. You can argue the legality. You may even agree with the ethics. But it is outside international law and condemned by the UN. I never argued the legality of the U.S. law. I am arguing that the sanctions are inhumane and unnecessary. So the ship should have never been seized.

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                  Trade embargoes do not violate international law. Otherwise, we would condemn Iran for its embargo against Israel. But Iran is free to pursue whatever trade policy it wants.

                  And don’t confuse a statement by a UN employee for a statement by the UN.

                  Iran sanctions are meant to slow their nuclear program and thus de-escalate the region. It’s possible they are now counterproductive. But it’s also possible that without them, a paranoid right wing Israeli government would have openly attacked Iran by now. So it may well be the lesser evil.

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                    Trade embargoes do not violate international law.

                    International laws do not exist. Source. Thus, the unilateral sanctions of the U.S. is beyond the law, and could be considered an act of war. The geopolitics of the region is not my concern. The unethical sanctions are.

                    And don’t confuse a statement by a UN employee for a statement by the UN.

                    The United States will not allow a vote in the UN on sanctions. That’s why they have to do press releases. It is from the UN. The nuclear sanctions are supported by the UN, but not the economic sanctions. Which is why the tanker was seized.