The US government seized nearly 1 million barrels of Iranian crude oil allegedly bound for China, according to newly unsealed court documents and a statement released by the Department of Justice on Friday.
The company that chose to operate within the US jurisdiction, in these cases, by owning the vehicles to doing the transport.
Iran did not agree to be sanctioned.
What kind of schoolyard logic are you working with here? Do you really have no idea how geopolitics works? No country has to have permission to sanction another. It is a choice one country makes to no buy from another. There is nothing preventing Iran from selling its oil to China. They’re just not allowed to do it with anything that is owned by the US government, US companies and those countries that choose to follow the same sanctions.
Nor do they have to adhere to a law made in the United States, unless they agreed to it internationally.
They absolutely do if they’re using something owned by the USA, in this case the tanker itself.
My argument is sound.
Your argument is naive, willfully ignorant, or maliciously in bad faith.
Other countries don’t have to obey US law, unless they agreed to that law.
Indirectly Iran agreed to it with the use of a US owned tanker. Why did they think they could do that when it breaks US law?
This isn’t difficult.
I agree it isn’t difficult. Don’t want to be bound by US rules and law? Don’t use US owned property, operating in US waters, use US banking systems, or any of the other countries that choose to follow US sanctions against a country. See how easy it is?
Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so. Iran did not agree to be sanctioned. Therefore, any “laws” the United States implements is illegal. The owner of the ship is ancillary. It’s justification for an internationally illegal act. I wonder if you would defend China so vociferously if they played the same game with America? I don’t think you would. You are defending a crime. But, muh freedom…
Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so. Iran did not agree to be sanctioned.
You should take your own advice with this statement.
Therefore, any “laws” the United States implements is illegal.
Factually false. You operate in the US or with US companies you’re agreeing to be bound by our laws. Don’t like it? Use non-US or non-US-allies companies.
The owner of the ship is ancillary.
Here’s where you should apply your own logic: “Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so.”
I wonder if you would defend China so vociferously if they played the same game with America? I don’t think you would.
I weep for the people of Hong Kong. China is systematically stripping them of their representation. However, Hong Kong is part of China. Its Chinese laws, inside of China. I have no say in what they do in Hong Kong. China is fully within their rights to do so even if I believe it will harm the Chinese people with regard to their long term prosperity.
I didn’t even bring up China here, but curiously you did. 你是 中国人吗？
You are defending a crime. But, muh freedom…
Here’s another place where you should apply your own logic: “Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so.”
This is exhausting. The sanctions are illegal and condemned internationally. Any law approved and applied after that fact is immaterial. Get it. It doesn’t matter if the boat is American. It doesn’t matter if it was US dollars and an American company. The overarching sanctions are illegal, so any adjudication after is illegal. Capiche?
This is exhausting. The sanctions are illegal and condemned internationally. Any law approved and applied after that fact is immaterial. Get it. It doesn’t matter if the boat is American. It doesn’t matter if it was US dollars and an American company. The overarching sanctions are illegal, so any adjudication after is illegal. Capiche?
Those are the same three flawed ideas you’ve stated over and over again.
You are disconnected from reality if you’re trying to pass that off as truth.
Please tell me one nation that has it all figured out whose rules we can use for the world. No one has. We have many different versions and the US is just one. You’re complaining about the laws the US writes for itself and its citizens. Is it perfect? Far from it, but its much better than authoritarian regimes like Iran, Russia, or China writing the rules that everyone would have to follow if you get your way.
My concern are the sanctions, which don’t accomplish their goals, and disproportionately affects the people of Iran. It is an exercise in power, to demonstrate power, and is condemned by the world.
So for our thought experiment now, YOU’RE the one writing the rules: What rule (besides sanctions) would YOU put in place to accomplish the goals without disproportionately affecting the people of Iran?
The company that chose to operate within the US jurisdiction, in these cases, by owning the vehicles to doing the transport.
What kind of schoolyard logic are you working with here? Do you really have no idea how geopolitics works? No country has to have permission to sanction another. It is a choice one country makes to no buy from another. There is nothing preventing Iran from selling its oil to China. They’re just not allowed to do it with anything that is owned by the US government, US companies and those countries that choose to follow the same sanctions.
They absolutely do if they’re using something owned by the USA, in this case the tanker itself.
Your argument is naive, willfully ignorant, or maliciously in bad faith.
Indirectly Iran agreed to it with the use of a US owned tanker. Why did they think they could do that when it breaks US law?
I agree it isn’t difficult. Don’t want to be bound by US rules and law? Don’t use US owned property, operating in US waters, use US banking systems, or any of the other countries that choose to follow US sanctions against a country. See how easy it is?
Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so. Iran did not agree to be sanctioned. Therefore, any “laws” the United States implements is illegal. The owner of the ship is ancillary. It’s justification for an internationally illegal act. I wonder if you would defend China so vociferously if they played the same game with America? I don’t think you would. You are defending a crime. But, muh freedom…
You should take your own advice with this statement.
Factually false. You operate in the US or with US companies you’re agreeing to be bound by our laws. Don’t like it? Use non-US or non-US-allies companies.
Here’s where you should apply your own logic: “Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so.”
I weep for the people of Hong Kong. China is systematically stripping them of their representation. However, Hong Kong is part of China. Its Chinese laws, inside of China. I have no say in what they do in Hong Kong. China is fully within their rights to do so even if I believe it will harm the Chinese people with regard to their long term prosperity.
I didn’t even bring up China here, but curiously you did. 你是 中国人吗？
Here’s another place where you should apply your own logic: “Just because you want something to be true, doesn’t make it so.”
This is exhausting. The sanctions are illegal and condemned internationally. Any law approved and applied after that fact is immaterial. Get it. It doesn’t matter if the boat is American. It doesn’t matter if it was US dollars and an American company. The overarching sanctions are illegal, so any adjudication after is illegal. Capiche?
Those are the same three flawed ideas you’ve stated over and over again.
You are disconnected from reality if you’re trying to pass that off as truth.
The. world. just. doesn’t. work. that. way.
Capiche?
Then maybe we should change it. Or do you want to conserve the status quo and not progress into the future?
Please tell me one nation that has it all figured out whose rules we can use for the world. No one has. We have many different versions and the US is just one. You’re complaining about the laws the US writes for itself and its citizens. Is it perfect? Far from it, but its much better than authoritarian regimes like Iran, Russia, or China writing the rules that everyone would have to follow if you get your way.
My concern are the sanctions, which don’t accomplish their goals, and disproportionately affects the people of Iran. It is an exercise in power, to demonstrate power, and is condemned by the world.
So for our thought experiment now, YOU’RE the one writing the rules: What rule (besides sanctions) would YOU put in place to accomplish the goals without disproportionately affecting the people of Iran?
Id pay so much money to work on HR at a company where you have to take sanctions compliance training.
Your emails about “colonialism” would be fucking framed on my desk.
This is hilarious.
Glad you enjoyed it.