It’s been done on very small scale tests like the SCOPEx test. It’s done with marine cloud brightening (MCB) which is a different thing.
However, SAI is absolutely dangerous and if it’s not continued indefinitely it will lead to termination shock. Because all of the CO2 emissions remain and will even increase, if you suddenly let that sun energy in again, all of the bad climate change effects will happen in months to several years, instead of many decades like it would normally. That would absolutely lead to war, billions dead, most agriculture dead, and near a complete collapse of the entire biosphere.
We know it can have localized impacts that move the problem around and make it worse for others, which makes trying to implement it in an uncoordinated manner, particularly without a computer model driving the plan, a dick move
@Einskjaldi@silence7 sulfate aerosols cause acid rain, respiratory irritation, and can even cause severe cardiopulmonary diseases leading to premature deaths.
But even if we could find some reflective aerosol that isn’t toxic, computer models of SRM/geoengineering have shown frightening negative side effects including slowed global circulation leading to an uneven temperature gradient that would disrupt the jetstream, leading to increased atmospheric blocking in the form of stagnant high-pressure systems that lock in hot air for extended periods a.k.a. “heat domes” and effectively exacerbating some of the worst problems the climate crisis is already causing
Yes, like most cases where this is brought up the local case is what you’re referencing but it doesn’t affect your breathing if it’s released over the open ocean. And the point is that we have been polluting sulfur in large amounts already and we’ve just recently started doing that less.
It looks like the article you linked discussing the potential effect aerosols have on storms and the heat gradients don’t really change in the northern hemisphere with or without the aerosols. The southern there is a slight change but I’m not sure what conclusions can be made from that. They also are assuming either quadrupling or doubling of current CO2 levels which doesn’t sound realistic considering renewables and batteries are either cheaper or at price parity in many situations and only getting cheaper by comparison. With most of transportation, energy generation, industrial heat, and space heating greatly reducing their carbon footprint in the next 5-10 years I don’t see us doubling our CO2 concentration. Does SO2 cause problems yeah, but in the low concentrations that it would be at and in the upper atmosphere where it would spend less time raining down to earth it’s better than the alternative. Are there possible strategies of releasing aerosols in certain locations to minimize the negative externalities idk but that’s why the research needs to be done.
We’re actually fairly sure it works; the big issue is that it will redistribute who gets rainfall.
It’s been done on very small scale tests like the SCOPEx test. It’s done with marine cloud brightening (MCB) which is a different thing.
However, SAI is absolutely dangerous and if it’s not continued indefinitely it will lead to termination shock. Because all of the CO2 emissions remain and will even increase, if you suddenly let that sun energy in again, all of the bad climate change effects will happen in months to several years, instead of many decades like it would normally. That would absolutely lead to war, billions dead, most agriculture dead, and near a complete collapse of the entire biosphere.
Yes. And because of how long CO2 concentration remains elevated, it needs to be continued for longer than civilizations last.
You just made previous comments advocating for it though, so I was pointing out the biggest danger of it, but now you’re acknowledging this issue?
@silence7 no, no we don’t.
We know it can have localized impacts that move the problem around and make it worse for others, which makes trying to implement it in an uncoordinated manner, particularly without a computer model driving the plan, a dick move
Volcano sulfur emissions are well known and the same thing from shipping emissions.
@Einskjaldi @silence7 sulfate aerosols cause acid rain, respiratory irritation, and can even cause severe cardiopulmonary diseases leading to premature deaths.
But even if we could find some reflective aerosol that isn’t toxic, computer models of SRM/geoengineering have shown frightening negative side effects including slowed global circulation leading to an uneven temperature gradient that would disrupt the jetstream, leading to increased atmospheric blocking in the form of stagnant high-pressure systems that lock in hot air for extended periods a.k.a. “heat domes” and effectively exacerbating some of the worst problems the climate crisis is already causing
https://news.mit.edu/2020/reflecting-sunlight-cool-planet-storm-0602
Yes, like most cases where this is brought up the local case is what you’re referencing but it doesn’t affect your breathing if it’s released over the open ocean. And the point is that we have been polluting sulfur in large amounts already and we’ve just recently started doing that less.
It looks like the article you linked discussing the potential effect aerosols have on storms and the heat gradients don’t really change in the northern hemisphere with or without the aerosols. The southern there is a slight change but I’m not sure what conclusions can be made from that. They also are assuming either quadrupling or doubling of current CO2 levels which doesn’t sound realistic considering renewables and batteries are either cheaper or at price parity in many situations and only getting cheaper by comparison. With most of transportation, energy generation, industrial heat, and space heating greatly reducing their carbon footprint in the next 5-10 years I don’t see us doubling our CO2 concentration. Does SO2 cause problems yeah, but in the low concentrations that it would be at and in the upper atmosphere where it would spend less time raining down to earth it’s better than the alternative. Are there possible strategies of releasing aerosols in certain locations to minimize the negative externalities idk but that’s why the research needs to be done.