Yeah I find this push for the US to take arms against the US army kind of a weird one at this point. It’s not going to happen overnight and the US is fucking huge. Like, do you all realize how geographically BIG the US is? Do you have any understanding of the difficulties we face in mounting any sort of physical resistance to this shit? You’re solidly delusional if you think complaining at individuals on Lemmy is going to spark a physical revolution here.
Okay, counter point. Why complain at people on Lemmy then for pointing out facts? You kind of make it apparent this way that this is about your world view being challenged.
If you acknowledge that you have to do more then vote and America is not a democracy. It means you have wasted you time and your life on people who literally cannot care about you with the way the system is.
We are not voting our way out of fascism. We are not fixing a system working as intended.
You know the take is factually correct but you still dismiss it because you want treats for yourself and you are willing to compromise on US imperialism for it.
Nah, I agree with the take. I disagree that fighting in the comment section against people who are more aware than the average us citizen is going to produce the results you want.
You’ve taken the position that anything except shouting about revolution is simping for the US. There’s no middle ground for talking with you apparently.
Are you friends with anyone who works on military projects, in the “defense” industry, is in the military or has served in the military in the past (same question for police)?
Do you attend events that include “thanking the troops”? Do you allow your kids to go on field trips that involve the military or cops? Do you go to war museums? Participate in or support Cadet programs?
Have you filed an objection to selective service (if you fall into the demographic that it applies to? Are you rude to recruiters? Do you protest recruitment offices if they open in your community?
If yes, then congrats on your gold star for the bare minimum. If not then maybe you and the other the 350 million Americans can ask themselves why they put their social comfort over human rights .
I don’t really need to prove to you that I’m rebelling in the right ways though. It’s a lot more nuanced and complicated than a lot of these comments want to make it out to be. There’s way more people here that are against the status quo than you want to believe, I think. This stuff doesn’t happen overnight.
Of course you don’t need to defend yourself to a stranger on the internet. My point with the questions is it’s not armed insurrection or nothing.
If you believe, deep in your heart, that you are doing all you can (which is all anyone can do!), why make defensive comments saying it’s too hard and people who think it’s possible just don’t understand? I’m not saying you need to publicly or privately support these specific tactics if you don’t agree with them. You just don’t need to do the empire’s propaganda for them, ya know?
I think these types of conversations can be very reductive and being inside of the US, I see more dissent and pushback than is sometimes expressed here. So yeah, I’m not so much doing the empire’s propaganda for them as defending the people here actually doing the work you’re all begging us to do.
Also thanks for engaging in a respectful discussion with me. I know this topic is touchy.
Yeah I find this push for the US to take arms against the US army kind of a weird one at this point. It’s not going to happen overnight and the US is fucking huge. Like, do you all realize how geographically BIG the US is? Do you have any understanding of the difficulties we face in mounting any sort of physical resistance to this shit? You’re solidly delusional if you think complaining at individuals on Lemmy is going to spark a physical revolution here.
Okay, counter point. Why complain at people on Lemmy then for pointing out facts? You kind of make it apparent this way that this is about your world view being challenged.
If you acknowledge that you have to do more then vote and America is not a democracy. It means you have wasted you time and your life on people who literally cannot care about you with the way the system is.
We are not voting our way out of fascism. We are not fixing a system working as intended.
You know the take is factually correct but you still dismiss it because you want treats for yourself and you are willing to compromise on US imperialism for it.
Nah, I agree with the take. I disagree that fighting in the comment section against people who are more aware than the average us citizen is going to produce the results you want.
You are literally fighting against people who are calling out US imperialism.
lol I’m not fighting, I’m having a discussion.
You’ve taken the position that anything except shouting about revolution is simping for the US. There’s no middle ground for talking with you apparently.
“You’re just fighting, I’m simply having a discussion!”
Wait, so being in favor of imperialism is taking a position, but being against imperialism is fighting people?
I didn’t say I’m in favor of imperialism.
You’re just against people who oppose imperialism.
A handful of Lemmings is all people who oppose imperialism now?
Ok.
You didn’t have to.
Ooh so edgy.
They could at least stop actively supporting it and cheering it on, but that’s too “divisive” 🙄
Yeah US citizens on Lemmy really celebrate it /s
Often, yes
Lmao don’t @ me on this if you aren’t openly rude to any military or police involved person.
You think all 350 million people in the US worship cops and military?
lol don’t @ you - you replied to my comment.
Are you friends with anyone who works on military projects, in the “defense” industry, is in the military or has served in the military in the past (same question for police)?
Do you attend events that include “thanking the troops”? Do you allow your kids to go on field trips that involve the military or cops? Do you go to war museums? Participate in or support Cadet programs?
Have you filed an objection to selective service (if you fall into the demographic that it applies to? Are you rude to recruiters? Do you protest recruitment offices if they open in your community?
If yes, then congrats on your gold star for the bare minimum. If not then maybe you and the other the 350 million Americans can ask themselves why they put their social comfort over human rights .
(And yes I do these things in my own country)
No, I’m not.
No, I don’t attend or participate in any of that.
Yes, I have.
I don’t really need to prove to you that I’m rebelling in the right ways though. It’s a lot more nuanced and complicated than a lot of these comments want to make it out to be. There’s way more people here that are against the status quo than you want to believe, I think. This stuff doesn’t happen overnight.
Of course you don’t need to defend yourself to a stranger on the internet. My point with the questions is it’s not armed insurrection or nothing.
If you believe, deep in your heart, that you are doing all you can (which is all anyone can do!), why make defensive comments saying it’s too hard and people who think it’s possible just don’t understand? I’m not saying you need to publicly or privately support these specific tactics if you don’t agree with them. You just don’t need to do the empire’s propaganda for them, ya know?
I think these types of conversations can be very reductive and being inside of the US, I see more dissent and pushback than is sometimes expressed here. So yeah, I’m not so much doing the empire’s propaganda for them as defending the people here actually doing the work you’re all begging us to do.
Also thanks for engaging in a respectful discussion with me. I know this topic is touchy.