What a surprise when i discovered that you don’t seem to need to backup Whatsapp messages any more. They apper to be stored on Meta servers. I’m sure it was not like this in the past? My wife left her GrapheneOS phone on the roof of the car and drove off. I managed to recover it but it had been ridden over by i car. So boight another pixel and installed Whatsapp again. She can’t live without it as all her clients are on there. When i setup Whatsapp on new phone, all messages appered again, just like that. Spooky … I think in the past it wasn’t like that?
I am not surprised. Meta is the company that do not follows the rules and gathers as much data about their users + others outside of their services (mainly thanks to Meta Pixel), as they possibly can. Extremely greedy!
- If you want to switch to a safer place to chat on, switch to Signal.
- If you want more privacy and stability, switch to XMPP and use OMEMO (Signal Protocol).
- If you want maximum privacy, switch to SimpleX.
The inappropriate jokes that filled my head as I read the title of this post are innumerable.
Also, f*ck Meta.
Edit: is setting up a separate work phone/clients only phone and a private life only phone on the table? :)
https://snee.la/posts/the-workings-of-whatsapps-end-to-end-encrypted-backups/
This is my analysis of WhatsApp’s backup mechanisms. The best possible thing you can do from a privacy PoV is to enable end-to-end-encrypted backups, which is disabled by default.
As far as I know, WhatsApp’s backups don’t go to meta’s servers, but instead google cloud / icloud. If your wife logged into her google account before, had backups enabled (frequency is weekly afaik), and signed into the google account again on the new phone - WhatsApp will restore the backups from the cloud.
If you enable E2EE backups, then you’ll be asked to enter your password, which only you can have. If you fail to supply that, your backups are lost forever. The implantation is a bit scuffed IMO, but still better than nothing. Things may have changed since I analyzed it in 2022.
I bought a new phone a year ago and lost all my whatsapp messages. Are you sure she didn’t simply enable the cloud backups in the settings?
Well, the phone got runover by a car so will never know. But i willcheck current default settings.
Maybe your wife had enabled cloud backups?
I make sure to have less apps as possible. I was so stupid to have used Facebook.
At the height those of us who weren’t on there got mocked by f&f lol
Now we look like Nostradamus geniuses to them. For me it was just the trait of being a more private person in all things, no genius foresight,
Fully agree on your less is more stance
I reset my phone earlier this year and lost my WhatsApp messages because I didn’t have backups turned on. So if they are doing this, it’s new in the last few months.
Have you double checked the settings on the account in question?
They have always had your keys and as long as its owned by Facebook it had the data stored on their machines
As nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de said, maybe your wife had activated backups and you did not have any knowledge of it (and maybe she forgot about enabling it as well)?
But if what you say is true, that sounds horrifying. Meta should get in trouble for this.
It wasn’t like that before Meta bought WhatsApp. This is why Signal is the superior app using the protocol; Meta stores not only the conversations, but separately stores the address books and the connection meta data and communication web. The actual messages are at least encrypted, but they’re still sitting there waiting to be accessed by anyone with a key (it doesn’t have to be her key).
sitting there waiting to be accessed by anyone with a key (it doesn’t have to be her key)
wait, what!?
Tldr, closed source software can do closed source software things
