Man you guys just can’t help but play the victim at every turn, can you?
If you’re a supporter of zionism, you deserve to be criticized. That’s no different, than if you were a supporter of the KKK. Yeah, people are going to judge your ass for being a bigot.
Someone being against the state of Israel systematically stealing land, bombing women and children, and acting like a barbarous state that is wantonly breaking international laws, is not the same as someone hating someone for their religion.
If you can’t see the difference between these two things, I really don’t know what to tell you.
Who’s “you guys”? I’m not Jewish, I just had grand parents that fought a war against antisemitc assholes. Because I’m Canadian. You’re not attacking a Jew like you obviously want to. You’re attacking a Canadian with Canadian values.
If you’re a supporter of zionism, you deserve to be criticized. That’s no different, than if you were a supporter of the KKK. Yeah, people are going to judge your ass for being a bigot.
If’ you’re attacking Jews b in Canada because of some internet bullshit rationalizations, then I’m judging your ass for being a bigot. Because you are. You’re an antisemitic bigot. Hating people simply because they share the same religion as some people on the other side of the world that are doing things you don’t like is bigotry.
Canada is a multi-cultural country and we don’t discriminate based on race, colour, or creed here. And that’s what this article is pushing for. Jews can feel a connection to their religion and where it originated from. That’s their creed. They should not be attacked for their creed. That’s being anti-Canadian. And being Canadian, I take that personally.
Go move to the US if you want to be an anti-Canadian bigot.
Who am I attacking? I’m saying that if you support zionism (not Jews), then you should be criticized. There. Really simple right? zionists believe that their theft of land from people, and continued theft of land is okay. Want me to come into your house and take it over? What, that’s different? That’s about the same amount of ‘right’ that zionists have to Palestinian land.
If you support bigots on the other side of the world and their actions, guess what, you’re no different than them.
This is comically simple. You’re looking for a reason to attack people who don’t like zionists.
You’re constantly connecting Canadian citizens to something happening on the other side of the world based solely on religion and ethnicity. That’s racist as fuck.
Want me to come into your house and take it over?
Are you threatening me? You spend some time on the internet looking at images of a war and then you think that gives you the right to go after Canadians that have a different religion than you. That’s how things work when you’re in a hate group. They constantly expose you to content that make you angry to keep you angry because that makes you easy to control. You’re angry at people on the other side of the world but you can’t do anything. Then they direct your anger towards people in your own country.
That’s where you cross the line from being another idiot on the internet just going along with the crowd and hating some country everyone else is hating to being a bigot that hates people in your own country because of their religion and ethnicity.
I want there to be peace in the Middle East. If this site were filled with people being racist towards Palestinians I’d be telling them they’re bigots. But this particular website is filled with people bigoted towards Jews. So I’m telling you that you’re a bigot.
If you attack Canadian citizens whether they be Jewish, Muslim, or whatever religion or ethnicity, I’m going to stand up for those people against the bigoted assholes. Because that’s what Canada is to me.
If you’re against Canadian Muslims, you’re against Canada. If you’re against Canadian Jews, you’re against Canada. I don’t care about the bullshit rationalizations your little hate group has filled your head with. If you’re against Canadian Jews you are anti-Canadian.
Lmao you can’t even read a rhetorical question and see it as a threat how can anyone have any dialogue with you?
I mean I know you’re not here in good faith. You refuse to actually see any nuance and immediately attack someone who is on the side of ‘lets stop killing babies and women.’
You’re siding with people who’s allegiance to Israel is greater than that of your own country. Stop being such a bootlicker.
I attack anyone that attacks Canadians. That includes attacking Canadian Jews. I don’t care about any of your bullshit rationalizations you have for attacking my fellow Canadians. An attack on any Canadian is an attack on me.
When will you hate mongers learn that your hateful actions will only end badly for you? Read a fucking history book. Hateful people are stupid and that’s why they always lose.
Sure dude. I’m hateful because I speak out against Palestinians being systematically murdered. And I’ll gladly call anyone out who supports such actions as you clearly do.
Your fake outrage is why the state of Israel (notice how I am stating a country not a religious belief) has such a shit reputation around the world.
Zionism isn’t a religion. Zionism != Judaism. Zionists != Jews. People are responsible for their own political beliefs and advocacy. They aren’t an immutable trait. Conflating Zionism and Judaism is anti-Semitic. Painting all critics of Zionist ideology as anti-Semites is, in itself, anti-Semitic.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general, you are playing into the hands of both Netanyahu, and white supremacists. People who support genocidal regimes deserve criticism. Just as Muslims would rightly be criticized if they proclaimed their support for ISIL/ISIS, and Christians for any number of heinous crimes committed under Christian auspices, so too Jewish people are not immune from criticism for supporting genocide, purely on the basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Is neonazi infiltration of leftist spaces under the cover of anti-Zionism a problem? Of course, and it’s one that requires constant vigilance to detect and defeat. But that’s not what I see you doing daily, across the fediverse. Instead, you habitually conflate criticism of Israel’s genocidal actions with attacks on Jewish people in general, and by doing so, you only further the agenda of those who want everyone to make the same associations.
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how to make that determination definitively, nor is it clear to me that it matters one way or the other. There seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest that many people would make the same arguments that they do. Normally, I just downvote their shit takes, and go on with my day, but occasionally I feel moved to comment, and so I have.
Read the article. It’s claiming that all Canadian Jews are Zionists.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general,
I’m not pretending, Read the fucking article. It’s saying that Canadian Jews are all Zionists.
Synagogues are getting shot at all the time in Canada. There were three of these events that occurred the week the Ayatollah was killed. It’s pretty obvious the “anti-Zionists” are targeting Jews in Canada. It’s not me thinking Canadian Jews are the same as Israeli Jews, it’s the “anti-Zionists” that think this.
Read the article. It telling the anti-zionist crowd that it’s ok to target Canadian Jews. The majority of racist attacks in Canada target Jews. Antisemitism is very real in Canada and it’s being perpetrated by people that claim to be “anti-zionists”. And now people are rationalizing why attacking Jews in Canada is perfectly acceptable because “they’re all zionists”.
This is just how hate groups work. There’s a target for hate, say a black man that raped a woman. We all agree that’s terrible. Then the target of hatred becomes broader. Maybe it’s all black criminals. Then it becomes broader, maybe it’s black people that dress a certain way or talk a certain way. Then eventually it’s just hating black people.
That’s what’s happening here. You start out “just criticzing Israel”. Then you’re hating some people in the IDF committing war crimes, then it’s all of the IDF, then it’s all Israelis. Now you’re explanding to hating Jews in Canada. If you’re hating Canadian Jews, you’re not “just criticizing Israel”, you’re being straight up antisemitic. Especially considering the context of that racist violence that’s happening to Jews in Canada already. You’re throwing more fuel on the fire of antisemitism.
Try as you will to rationalize your way out of this, I don’t care. If you’re pushing narratives that result in violent attacks against Jews in Canada, you’re an antisemite. Go to the US and live among the bigots there, you don’t belong in Canada.
I read the article. It’s not the best prose, but it’s well-sourced, and I didn’t detect any falsehoods. The article doesn’t excuse or condone, and least of all does it encourage, violence toward Jews. It simply describes, among other things, prevailing attitudes toward Israel, and the actions thereof, among Canadian Jews.
Accurately describing the attitudes held by Canadian Jews toward Israel does not constitute anti-Semitism. Identifying as a Jew does not give anyone a free pass to support genocide without being subject to criticism.
Claiming that criticism of Zionism will inevitably lead to anti-Semitism is transparently fallacious. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religion or an ethnicity. Based on the available data, conflating Zionism with Judaism will only serve to increase anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada, and presumably elsewhere. If that isn’t your goal, you’re going about things the wrong way.
Man you guys just can’t help but play the victim at every turn, can you?
If you’re a supporter of zionism, you deserve to be criticized. That’s no different, than if you were a supporter of the KKK. Yeah, people are going to judge your ass for being a bigot.
Someone being against the state of Israel systematically stealing land, bombing women and children, and acting like a barbarous state that is wantonly breaking international laws, is not the same as someone hating someone for their religion.
If you can’t see the difference between these two things, I really don’t know what to tell you.
Who’s “you guys”? I’m not Jewish, I just had grand parents that fought a war against antisemitc assholes. Because I’m Canadian. You’re not attacking a Jew like you obviously want to. You’re attacking a Canadian with Canadian values.
If’ you’re attacking Jews b in Canada because of some internet bullshit rationalizations, then I’m judging your ass for being a bigot. Because you are. You’re an antisemitic bigot. Hating people simply because they share the same religion as some people on the other side of the world that are doing things you don’t like is bigotry.
Canada is a multi-cultural country and we don’t discriminate based on race, colour, or creed here. And that’s what this article is pushing for. Jews can feel a connection to their religion and where it originated from. That’s their creed. They should not be attacked for their creed. That’s being anti-Canadian. And being Canadian, I take that personally.
Go move to the US if you want to be an anti-Canadian bigot.
Man you like putting words in my mouth huh?
Who am I attacking? I’m saying that if you support zionism (not Jews), then you should be criticized. There. Really simple right? zionists believe that their theft of land from people, and continued theft of land is okay. Want me to come into your house and take it over? What, that’s different? That’s about the same amount of ‘right’ that zionists have to Palestinian land.
If you support bigots on the other side of the world and their actions, guess what, you’re no different than them.
This is comically simple. You’re looking for a reason to attack people who don’t like zionists.
You’re constantly connecting Canadian citizens to something happening on the other side of the world based solely on religion and ethnicity. That’s racist as fuck.
Are you threatening me? You spend some time on the internet looking at images of a war and then you think that gives you the right to go after Canadians that have a different religion than you. That’s how things work when you’re in a hate group. They constantly expose you to content that make you angry to keep you angry because that makes you easy to control. You’re angry at people on the other side of the world but you can’t do anything. Then they direct your anger towards people in your own country.
That’s where you cross the line from being another idiot on the internet just going along with the crowd and hating some country everyone else is hating to being a bigot that hates people in your own country because of their religion and ethnicity.
I want there to be peace in the Middle East. If this site were filled with people being racist towards Palestinians I’d be telling them they’re bigots. But this particular website is filled with people bigoted towards Jews. So I’m telling you that you’re a bigot.
If you attack Canadian citizens whether they be Jewish, Muslim, or whatever religion or ethnicity, I’m going to stand up for those people against the bigoted assholes. Because that’s what Canada is to me.
If you’re against Canadian Muslims, you’re against Canada. If you’re against Canadian Jews, you’re against Canada. I don’t care about the bullshit rationalizations your little hate group has filled your head with. If you’re against Canadian Jews you are anti-Canadian.
Lmao you can’t even read a rhetorical question and see it as a threat how can anyone have any dialogue with you?
I mean I know you’re not here in good faith. You refuse to actually see any nuance and immediately attack someone who is on the side of ‘lets stop killing babies and women.’
You’re siding with people who’s allegiance to Israel is greater than that of your own country. Stop being such a bootlicker.
I attack anyone that attacks Canadians. That includes attacking Canadian Jews. I don’t care about any of your bullshit rationalizations you have for attacking my fellow Canadians. An attack on any Canadian is an attack on me.
When will you hate mongers learn that your hateful actions will only end badly for you? Read a fucking history book. Hateful people are stupid and that’s why they always lose.
An attack is an attack on you huh? 🤣
Sure dude. I’m hateful because I speak out against Palestinians being systematically murdered. And I’ll gladly call anyone out who supports such actions as you clearly do.
Your fake outrage is why the state of Israel (notice how I am stating a country not a religious belief) has such a shit reputation around the world.
Grow the fuck up.
Zionism isn’t a religion. Zionism != Judaism. Zionists != Jews. People are responsible for their own political beliefs and advocacy. They aren’t an immutable trait. Conflating Zionism and Judaism is anti-Semitic. Painting all critics of Zionist ideology as anti-Semites is, in itself, anti-Semitic.
By pretending all criticism of the Israeli government is directed at Jewish people in general, you are playing into the hands of both Netanyahu, and white supremacists. People who support genocidal regimes deserve criticism. Just as Muslims would rightly be criticized if they proclaimed their support for ISIL/ISIS, and Christians for any number of heinous crimes committed under Christian auspices, so too Jewish people are not immune from criticism for supporting genocide, purely on the basis of their religion or ethnicity.
Is neonazi infiltration of leftist spaces under the cover of anti-Zionism a problem? Of course, and it’s one that requires constant vigilance to detect and defeat. But that’s not what I see you doing daily, across the fediverse. Instead, you habitually conflate criticism of Israel’s genocidal actions with attacks on Jewish people in general, and by doing so, you only further the agenda of those who want everyone to make the same associations.
He’s not here in good faith man you know that.
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t know how to make that determination definitively, nor is it clear to me that it matters one way or the other. There seems to be plenty of evidence to suggest that many people would make the same arguments that they do. Normally, I just downvote their shit takes, and go on with my day, but occasionally I feel moved to comment, and so I have.
Fair. I always try to speak out against such absurdities, simply to show people just perusing the comments that their nonsense doesn’t go unabated.
Read the article. It’s claiming that all Canadian Jews are Zionists.
I’m not pretending, Read the fucking article. It’s saying that Canadian Jews are all Zionists.
Synagogues are getting shot at all the time in Canada. There were three of these events that occurred the week the Ayatollah was killed. It’s pretty obvious the “anti-Zionists” are targeting Jews in Canada. It’s not me thinking Canadian Jews are the same as Israeli Jews, it’s the “anti-Zionists” that think this.
Read the article. It telling the anti-zionist crowd that it’s ok to target Canadian Jews. The majority of racist attacks in Canada target Jews. Antisemitism is very real in Canada and it’s being perpetrated by people that claim to be “anti-zionists”. And now people are rationalizing why attacking Jews in Canada is perfectly acceptable because “they’re all zionists”.
This is just how hate groups work. There’s a target for hate, say a black man that raped a woman. We all agree that’s terrible. Then the target of hatred becomes broader. Maybe it’s all black criminals. Then it becomes broader, maybe it’s black people that dress a certain way or talk a certain way. Then eventually it’s just hating black people.
That’s what’s happening here. You start out “just criticzing Israel”. Then you’re hating some people in the IDF committing war crimes, then it’s all of the IDF, then it’s all Israelis. Now you’re explanding to hating Jews in Canada. If you’re hating Canadian Jews, you’re not “just criticizing Israel”, you’re being straight up antisemitic. Especially considering the context of that racist violence that’s happening to Jews in Canada already. You’re throwing more fuel on the fire of antisemitism.
Try as you will to rationalize your way out of this, I don’t care. If you’re pushing narratives that result in violent attacks against Jews in Canada, you’re an antisemite. Go to the US and live among the bigots there, you don’t belong in Canada.
I read the article. It’s not the best prose, but it’s well-sourced, and I didn’t detect any falsehoods. The article doesn’t excuse or condone, and least of all does it encourage, violence toward Jews. It simply describes, among other things, prevailing attitudes toward Israel, and the actions thereof, among Canadian Jews.
Accurately describing the attitudes held by Canadian Jews toward Israel does not constitute anti-Semitism. Identifying as a Jew does not give anyone a free pass to support genocide without being subject to criticism.
Claiming that criticism of Zionism will inevitably lead to anti-Semitism is transparently fallacious. Zionism is a political ideology, not a religion or an ethnicity. Based on the available data, conflating Zionism with Judaism will only serve to increase anti-Jewish sentiment in Canada, and presumably elsewhere. If that isn’t your goal, you’re going about things the wrong way.