what I don’t really understand about some of the posting here is that there are many proud authoritarians of the communist variety getting upset about authoritarian laws
This decentralized platform was built by the “authoritarian communists” you decry.
Lemmy was loosely inspired by the federated nature of the soviet union. The main devs are Marxist-Leninists, and developed a federated Reddit alternative based on those principles. Federation existed before Lemmy, but the devs specifically made Lemmy due to their communist principles.
You cannot just take values and proclaim them as belonging to your ideology. That’s ridiculous. I might as well then proclaim that kittens and puppies belong to communism.
It is an objective fact that communists have made great efforts to fight against the existing hegemonic order. Be they individual communists who have created many anti-capitalist communities, or mighty socialist states (USSR and PRC) who challenged the might of the imperialists and allowed many countries to have a chance at independent development.
You cannot simply gloss over it all and say that if a communist does something good that it was actually anarchism all along. That’s patently idealistic.
Friend, this has nothing to do with who you say you are or what labels you give yourself and everything to do with the architecture of the product. You are doing the same thing the post is complaining about, i.e. conflating the source with the truth.
Communism is famous for centralized control and planning. I don’t really see how you can argue that “it’s just a tool” when the whole premise of anarchism is resilience through decentralization.
Communism is famous for centralized control and planning
Both of those things are also just tools. You can mix and match centralisation and decentralization based on problem application. Imagine if engineers dogmatically stuck to building with steel on everything. That’s just absurd.
Also, “famous” as in the memes you get from western media? Because the governance structure of socialist states has been historically quite decentralized. Both the USSR and PRC (today) have very strong local governance structures.
In the PRC arguably their problems related to uneven development and overleveraged debt come from too much decentralization. Every province starts to pursue an independent development policy leading to redundant industries (as is the case with EV and high tech industries). The hukuo system also forces decentralization by trying to slow down the migration of labor from rural areas to urban one’s. Of course the decentralization in China has many benefits too. The common prosperity program could leverage the wide range of technical/party infrastructure and spread benefits to rural communities. So really decentralization is a tool that needs continously refinement.
I don’t really see how you can argue that “it’s just a tool”
Because it just straight up is. You can apply it. Not apply it. Modify it according to your problem statement. Not to mention “decentralisation” is actually a closely related set of tools.
the whole premise of anarchism is resilience through decentralization.
Isn’t the “whole premise” of anarchism actually having a stateless society?
PRC and Soviet are top down. There is no top in an anarchist society. This stuff isn’t hard but it’s clear to me that a few of the posters here don’t even understand the political philosophies they claim to support. I wouldn’t be surprised if some are zionists come to shit in the pool so we can’t have proper conversations about stuff.
This means … what exactly? Do you understand the governance structures of these societies or are you just saying what you’ve been taught in capitalist textbooks?
There is no top in an anarchist society.
Setting aside the fact that I have 100% seen proposals from anarchists for societies that have a “top”, unless your proposed society only has 1 layer of organisation, it also has a top. But then you are just dogmatically limiting yourself to a very specific organizational structure rather than focusing on solving material problems or furthering class war.
This stuff isn’t hard but it’s clear to me that a few of the posters here don’t even understand the political philosophies they claim to support.
I don’t wanna hear this shit from “Communism is famous for centralisation and planning” which is nothing more than the meme version of communism spread by capitalist propagandists. I might as well start saying that “anarchism is the purge and chaos and violence” lol.
This decentralized platform was built by the “authoritarian communists” you decry.
The philosophy of the platform is anarchistic not communist.
Lemmy was loosely inspired by the federated nature of the soviet union. The main devs are Marxist-Leninists, and developed a federated Reddit alternative based on those principles. Federation existed before Lemmy, but the devs specifically made Lemmy due to their communist principles.
You cannot just take values and proclaim them as belonging to your ideology. That’s ridiculous. I might as well then proclaim that kittens and puppies belong to communism.
It is an objective fact that communists have made great efforts to fight against the existing hegemonic order. Be they individual communists who have created many anti-capitalist communities, or mighty socialist states (USSR and PRC) who challenged the might of the imperialists and allowed many countries to have a chance at independent development.
You cannot simply gloss over it all and say that if a communist does something good that it was actually anarchism all along. That’s patently idealistic.
Friend, this has nothing to do with who you say you are or what labels you give yourself and everything to do with the architecture of the product. You are doing the same thing the post is complaining about, i.e. conflating the source with the truth.
Decentralization is not an “anarchist philosophy”. It is just a tool.
Communism is famous for centralized control and planning. I don’t really see how you can argue that “it’s just a tool” when the whole premise of anarchism is resilience through decentralization.
Both of those things are also just tools. You can mix and match centralisation and decentralization based on problem application. Imagine if engineers dogmatically stuck to building with steel on everything. That’s just absurd.
Also, “famous” as in the memes you get from western media? Because the governance structure of socialist states has been historically quite decentralized. Both the USSR and PRC (today) have very strong local governance structures.
In the PRC arguably their problems related to uneven development and overleveraged debt come from too much decentralization. Every province starts to pursue an independent development policy leading to redundant industries (as is the case with EV and high tech industries). The hukuo system also forces decentralization by trying to slow down the migration of labor from rural areas to urban one’s. Of course the decentralization in China has many benefits too. The common prosperity program could leverage the wide range of technical/party infrastructure and spread benefits to rural communities. So really decentralization is a tool that needs continously refinement.
Because it just straight up is. You can apply it. Not apply it. Modify it according to your problem statement. Not to mention “decentralisation” is actually a closely related set of tools.
Isn’t the “whole premise” of anarchism actually having a stateless society?
PRC and Soviet are top down. There is no top in an anarchist society. This stuff isn’t hard but it’s clear to me that a few of the posters here don’t even understand the political philosophies they claim to support. I wouldn’t be surprised if some are zionists come to shit in the pool so we can’t have proper conversations about stuff.
This means … what exactly? Do you understand the governance structures of these societies or are you just saying what you’ve been taught in capitalist textbooks?
Setting aside the fact that I have 100% seen proposals from anarchists for societies that have a “top”, unless your proposed society only has 1 layer of organisation, it also has a top. But then you are just dogmatically limiting yourself to a very specific organizational structure rather than focusing on solving material problems or furthering class war.
I don’t wanna hear this shit from “Communism is famous for centralisation and planning” which is nothing more than the meme version of communism spread by capitalist propagandists. I might as well start saying that “anarchism is the purge and chaos and violence” lol.
Ah yes, the shocking number of people who seem to understand your own ideology better than you do must simply be
RussianZionist provocateurs.