Are you a shitty bot or just a shitty troll? Every webservice you use is based on free/open software, without it you would be getting all the speed an reliability of Windows ME from your doom scrolling.
Are you a dumb dumb or an idiot? Web serving is one of the simplest jobs a computer can have. -Why wouldn’t they choose the cheapest option? Wow… gonna block you because arguing with an idiot is a waste of time.
Oohh, it’s fun when technicially illiterate people think they’re smart.
You just answered your own question and didn’t notice.
Web serving is one of the simplest jobs a computer can have. -Why wouldn’t they choose the cheapest option?
You’re right! The cheapest option is Linux. The reason Linux is cheap, reliable, and dominant across web infrastructure, cloud computing, and enterprise servers is because of the FOSS ecosystem you called “commie garbage.” The Linux kernel, Apache, Nginx, OpenSSL, and basically every critical piece of web serving infrastructure are all FOSS projects maintained by the exact community you’re attempting to insult.
You’re using the output of FOSS to argue against FOSS. Every website you visit, every web service you use, the Lemmy instance you moderate your Linux-hating community on, all of it runs on “commie garbage.”
The most disgusting part of it to me is not that you’re failing to argue against FOSS. You’re attempting to remove credit from the passionate and driven devs who built the infrastructure we use today. That’s despicable, and entirely on brand for capitalist bootlickers. Capitalism builds nothing and simply repurposes and repackages the passion and labor of others by adding a new pricetag, subscription, or storefront. Maybe some DLC or microtransactions if we’re feeling really greedy.
Show me a AAA FOSS game. Even the FOSS games that come close had their engines donated. Professional production software like Adobe, Office, CAD - The industry runs on proprietary. Blender is probably the best thing you have, and it was practically donated too.
Notice you’ve completely abandoned the web serving argument. Can’t defend it so you’ve moved on. We’ll add that to the list, another goalpost flying by at mach speed. Wonder if they’ll add it to Forza?
Show me a AAA FOSS game
AAA FOSS games is a deliberately narrow target designed to sound convincing. The gaming industry’s core infrastructure is heavily FOSS. The Linux kernel that Steam Deck runs on. Mesa graphics drivers. Vulkan. SDL. OpenAL. The entire graphics stack underneath every game including your precious AAA titles runs on “commie garbage.” It’s not whether the marketing budget and cutscenes of a AAA title are open source. It’s whether the industry could function without FOSS infrastructure. It couldn’t.
Even the FOSS games that come close had their engines donated
Once again, you do half the work for me. If FOSS is garbage why do commercial studios donate their engines to it? id Software open sourced Quake’s engine. Epic contributes to open standards. Donations flow toward FOSS precisely because the commercial ecosystem benefits from shared infrastructure. You’ve just described companies recognizing the value of what you call “garbage.”
Professional production software like Adobe, Office, CAD - The industry runs on proprietary
Adobe and Office dominate through network effects and proprietary lock-in, not purely technical superiority. Quality? That’s just an argument for switching costs. LibreOffice handles the vast majority of office tasks. DaVinci Resolve has a free tier that professional editors use for Oscar-nominated titles. The tools exist. The dominance is structural, not meritocratic. Capitalists do love to believe in their myths.
Blender is probably the best thing you have, and it was practically donated too.
Blender is your worst example. Blender is in active production use at major studios, such as in Spider-Man: No Way Home, and is maintained by a foundation funded by Epic, Adobe, and Meta who pay for its development because building proprietary alternatives costs more. “Practically donated” is you accidentally describing why FOSS works. Companies fund it because the output is worth more than the cost of maintaining it. You make this SO easy.
You keep moving to new ground every time the current ground collapses. ECC. Abandonment. Web serving. Now games and Adobe. How many more before you answer the question of why you hate “FOSS commie garbage” so much but continue to avidly use and moderate on it?
I’ve done exactly that recently and it’s been fun honestly. I’ve learned about so many projects and so many passionate people who just want to build things to help people. I’ve yet to have any crashes too, unlike windows, and I’ve seen a performance uplift of about 10-15%, mostly from all the background services no longer running and hogging resources. I’m even setting up a homelab to self host/provide my community with a way to replace other corporatized spyware like google’s suite, discord, etc.
But yeah man, enjoy your capitalist slop, innovating the best ways to create problems and sell you solutions. Pay that subscription fee, buy another skin. I feel like I own my hardware again.
You do realize that Linux is intended to be run on ECC memory, while Windows has been built with many features to compensate and is therefore more resilient for almost all home users. Your anecdotes are funny because they lack all technical merit (typical Linux propaganda).
Even Linus Torvalds would shake his head at the nonsense LiGNUts put out there.
Your anecdotes are funny because they lack all technical merit (typical Linux propaganda).
While calling Linux commie garbage. Dafuq?
You want technical? Let’s go.
You do realize that Linux is intended to be run on ECC memory
This is technically confused. ECC memory is error-correcting memory used in servers and workstations to detect and correct bit-flip errors. It’s not a Linux requirement and Linux runs fine on non-ECC consumer hardware, the same hardware Windows runs on. It sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what ECC is and/or what Linux is. Having worked at the architectural level in RAM addressing utilizing Hamming code to protect against sais bit flips, I’ve experience in this area. Linux runs on everything from Raspberry Pis to supercomputers to Android phones. Windows also supports ECC memory on compatible hardware. This isn’t a Windows vs Linux distinction at all.
Windows has been built with many features to compensate and is therefore more resilient for almost all home users
This is vague enough to be unfalsifiable. Features to compensate for what exactly? It certainly isn’t memory usage or performance, that’s for sure. Memory errors on non-ECC hardware affect both operating systems equally since that’s a hardware limitation, not an OS one.
Even Linus Torvalds would shake his head at the nonsense LiGNUts put out there.
This is an appeal to authority but backfires. Linus Torvalds famously uses Linux exclusively (he prefers Fedora and is happy not being at the bleeding edge), advocates for it constantly, and has been publicly critical of proprietary software and Nvidia drivers. Invoking him as someone who would disapprove of Linux advocacy is an interesting choice, or an entirely uninformed one.
FOSS is commie garbage
Someone who opens with that framing and then produces technically confused claims about ECC memory is not making a good faith technical argument. Linux, as a technology, is not political. You’re working backwards from your own ideology using mental gymnastics to make uninformed claims in an attempt to support said ideology.
Here’s a question for you, now that we’ve exposed your lack of technical knowledge. Why are you on Lemmy, “FOSS commie garbage” software, same as Linux?
Just fyi, you are talking to a nutter. That person created the linuxsucks community and seems to spend all waking (probably sleeping too) hours thinking about linux and how to get mad at linux. Don Quixote has nothing on this guy
Damn, that’s wild haha thanks. Their response sounds like some kind of conspiracy driven nonsense. I assume Linux must run the bird drones spying for everyone too, since birds aren’t real. They must not be using ECC memory either. Damned commie government.
Data integrity is a hardware problem, not an OS problem.
The myth that Linux is stable enough that you don’t need ECC unless you’re running ZFS or a database is wrong. A flipped bit corrupts memory before the OS sees it.
-ECC protects the OS. The OS cannot protect itself.
Windows has the most aggressive consumer‑grade fault‑tolerance stack with WHEA, bad‑page retirement, PCIe AER recovery, GPU/driver subsystem restart, VBS integrity enforcement, core offlining, and memory poisoning.
-These features dramatically reduce crashes on unreliable hardware.
ECC is the only one to detect single‑bit errors, correct single‑bit errors, detect multi‑bit errors, and prevent silent corruption from propagating. It’s not ‘Linux stability’ - it’s literally ECC (which most consumer desktops and laptops don’t have)!
-Servers need ECC because server workloads demand correctness (and Linux doesn’t even try to deliver that because they don’t have to).
Cosmic rays, electrical noise, and manufacturing defects literally hit hardware, not software. -That famous blue screen in front of an audience during a Windows presentation? -Nothing to be ashamed about (but they could’ve used ECC)!
If the hardware lies, the OS has no way to know. Even Windows Server requires ECC. Enterprise Linux distros recommend ECC. It’s about physics: not the OS.
Data integrity is a hardware problem, not an OS problem.
ECC protects the OS. The OS cannot protect itself.
ECC is the only one to detect single‑bit errors, correct single‑bit errors, detect multi‑bit errors, and prevent silent corruption from propagating.
Good, we’ve made progress. You now correctly describe what ECC does, which is accurate. Notice though that you’ve abandoned your original claim that “Linux is intended to be run on ECC memory” and replaced it with “servers need ECC.” Those are completely different statements. The first one was wrong, like I refuted. You’ve just admitted it without saying so.
Windows has the most aggressive consumer‑grade fault‑tolerance stack with WHEA, bad‑page retirement, PCIe AER recovery, GPU/driver subsystem restart, VBS integrity enforcement, core offlining, and memory poisoning.
These features dramatically reduce crashes on unreliable hardware.
These are real but irrelevant to your original argument. Those features handle hardware errors after they occur. ECC prevents corruption before it propagates. They’re not comparable. On non-ECC consumer hardware, Windows and Linux, and any other OS for that matter, are equally exposed to silent bit-flip corruption. Windows just surfaces the errors more visibly. That’s better logging, not better physics.
Linux doesn’t even try to deliver that because they don’t have to
Also still waiting on that Lemmy answer. For someone so against “FOSS commie garbage” you seem pretty active on it, enough to make your own community and moderate it.
Thanks, I appreciate that! As part of my degree I worked on designing/building and addressing RAM and ROM so it’s a particular area of interest of mine. I enjoyed building address hashes all the way up from NAND gates, to JK/D flip-flops, to eventually said RAM and ROM.
SearXNG also helps with searching and getting relevant articles and results, especially in comparison to Google these days haha.
Which I feel this person may read and believe articles like this thanks to AI 🙃
If I had to give up everything that doesn’t work on Linux, I wouldn’t bother having a computer. FOSS is commie garbage.
Are you a shitty bot or just a shitty troll? Every webservice you use is based on free/open software, without it you would be getting all the speed an reliability of Windows ME from your doom scrolling.
Are you a dumb dumb or an idiot? Web serving is one of the simplest jobs a computer can have. -Why wouldn’t they choose the cheapest option? Wow… gonna block you because arguing with an idiot is a waste of time.
Oohh, it’s fun when technicially illiterate people think they’re smart.
You just answered your own question and didn’t notice.
You’re right! The cheapest option is Linux. The reason Linux is cheap, reliable, and dominant across web infrastructure, cloud computing, and enterprise servers is because of the FOSS ecosystem you called “commie garbage.” The Linux kernel, Apache, Nginx, OpenSSL, and basically every critical piece of web serving infrastructure are all FOSS projects maintained by the exact community you’re attempting to insult.
You’re using the output of FOSS to argue against FOSS. Every website you visit, every web service you use, the Lemmy instance you moderate your Linux-hating community on, all of it runs on “commie garbage.”
The most disgusting part of it to me is not that you’re failing to argue against FOSS. You’re attempting to remove credit from the passionate and driven devs who built the infrastructure we use today. That’s despicable, and entirely on brand for capitalist bootlickers. Capitalism builds nothing and simply repurposes and repackages the passion and labor of others by adding a new pricetag, subscription, or storefront. Maybe some DLC or microtransactions if we’re feeling really greedy.
Do you even try to make sense?
Show me a AAA FOSS game. Even the FOSS games that come close had their engines donated. Professional production software like Adobe, Office, CAD - The industry runs on proprietary. Blender is probably the best thing you have, and it was practically donated too.
Notice you’ve completely abandoned the web serving argument. Can’t defend it so you’ve moved on. We’ll add that to the list, another goalpost flying by at mach speed. Wonder if they’ll add it to Forza?
AAA FOSS games is a deliberately narrow target designed to sound convincing. The gaming industry’s core infrastructure is heavily FOSS. The Linux kernel that Steam Deck runs on. Mesa graphics drivers. Vulkan. SDL. OpenAL. The entire graphics stack underneath every game including your precious AAA titles runs on “commie garbage.” It’s not whether the marketing budget and cutscenes of a AAA title are open source. It’s whether the industry could function without FOSS infrastructure. It couldn’t.
Once again, you do half the work for me. If FOSS is garbage why do commercial studios donate their engines to it? id Software open sourced Quake’s engine. Epic contributes to open standards. Donations flow toward FOSS precisely because the commercial ecosystem benefits from shared infrastructure. You’ve just described companies recognizing the value of what you call “garbage.”
Adobe and Office dominate through network effects and proprietary lock-in, not purely technical superiority. Quality? That’s just an argument for switching costs. LibreOffice handles the vast majority of office tasks. DaVinci Resolve has a free tier that professional editors use for Oscar-nominated titles. The tools exist. The dominance is structural, not meritocratic. Capitalists do love to believe in their myths.
Blender is your worst example. Blender is in active production use at major studios, such as in Spider-Man: No Way Home, and is maintained by a foundation funded by Epic, Adobe, and Meta who pay for its development because building proprietary alternatives costs more. “Practically donated” is you accidentally describing why FOSS works. Companies fund it because the output is worth more than the cost of maintaining it. You make this SO easy.
You keep moving to new ground every time the current ground collapses. ECC. Abandonment. Web serving. Now games and Adobe. How many more before you answer the question of why you hate “FOSS commie garbage” so much but continue to avidly use and moderate on it?
I’ve done exactly that recently and it’s been fun honestly. I’ve learned about so many projects and so many passionate people who just want to build things to help people. I’ve yet to have any crashes too, unlike windows, and I’ve seen a performance uplift of about 10-15%, mostly from all the background services no longer running and hogging resources. I’m even setting up a homelab to self host/provide my community with a way to replace other corporatized spyware like google’s suite, discord, etc.
But yeah man, enjoy your capitalist slop, innovating the best ways to create problems and sell you solutions. Pay that subscription fee, buy another skin. I feel like I own my hardware again.
You do realize that Linux is intended to be run on ECC memory, while Windows has been built with many features to compensate and is therefore more resilient for almost all home users. Your anecdotes are funny because they lack all technical merit (typical Linux propaganda).
Even Linus Torvalds would shake his head at the nonsense LiGNUts put out there.
While calling Linux commie garbage. Dafuq?
You want technical? Let’s go.
This is technically confused. ECC memory is error-correcting memory used in servers and workstations to detect and correct bit-flip errors. It’s not a Linux requirement and Linux runs fine on non-ECC consumer hardware, the same hardware Windows runs on. It sounds like you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what ECC is and/or what Linux is. Having worked at the architectural level in RAM addressing utilizing Hamming code to protect against sais bit flips, I’ve experience in this area. Linux runs on everything from Raspberry Pis to supercomputers to Android phones. Windows also supports ECC memory on compatible hardware. This isn’t a Windows vs Linux distinction at all.
This is vague enough to be unfalsifiable. Features to compensate for what exactly? It certainly isn’t memory usage or performance, that’s for sure. Memory errors on non-ECC hardware affect both operating systems equally since that’s a hardware limitation, not an OS one.
This is an appeal to authority but backfires. Linus Torvalds famously uses Linux exclusively (he prefers Fedora and is happy not being at the bleeding edge), advocates for it constantly, and has been publicly critical of proprietary software and Nvidia drivers. Invoking him as someone who would disapprove of Linux advocacy is an interesting choice, or an entirely uninformed one.
Someone who opens with that framing and then produces technically confused claims about ECC memory is not making a good faith technical argument. Linux, as a technology, is not political. You’re working backwards from your own ideology using mental gymnastics to make uninformed claims in an attempt to support said ideology.
Here’s a question for you, now that we’ve exposed your lack of technical knowledge. Why are you on Lemmy, “FOSS commie garbage” software, same as Linux?
Just fyi, you are talking to a nutter. That person created the linuxsucks community and seems to spend all waking (probably sleeping too) hours thinking about linux and how to get mad at linux. Don Quixote has nothing on this guy
Damn, that’s wild haha thanks. Their response sounds like some kind of conspiracy driven nonsense. I assume Linux must run the bird drones spying for everyone too, since birds aren’t real. They must not be using ECC memory either. Damned commie government.
Data integrity is a hardware problem, not an OS problem.
The myth that Linux is stable enough that you don’t need ECC unless you’re running ZFS or a database is wrong. A flipped bit corrupts memory before the OS sees it.
-ECC protects the OS. The OS cannot protect itself.
Windows has the most aggressive consumer‑grade fault‑tolerance stack with WHEA, bad‑page retirement, PCIe AER recovery, GPU/driver subsystem restart, VBS integrity enforcement, core offlining, and memory poisoning.
-These features dramatically reduce crashes on unreliable hardware.
ECC is the only one to detect single‑bit errors, correct single‑bit errors, detect multi‑bit errors, and prevent silent corruption from propagating. It’s not ‘Linux stability’ - it’s literally ECC (which most consumer desktops and laptops don’t have)!
-Servers need ECC because server workloads demand correctness (and Linux doesn’t even try to deliver that because they don’t have to).
Cosmic rays, electrical noise, and manufacturing defects literally hit hardware, not software. -That famous blue screen in front of an audience during a Windows presentation? -Nothing to be ashamed about (but they could’ve used ECC)!
If the hardware lies, the OS has no way to know. Even Windows Server requires ECC. Enterprise Linux distros recommend ECC. It’s about physics: not the OS.
Good, we’ve made progress. You now correctly describe what ECC does, which is accurate. Notice though that you’ve abandoned your original claim that “Linux is intended to be run on ECC memory” and replaced it with “servers need ECC.” Those are completely different statements. The first one was wrong, like I refuted. You’ve just admitted it without saying so.
These are real but irrelevant to your original argument. Those features handle hardware errors after they occur. ECC prevents corruption before it propagates. They’re not comparable. On non-ECC consumer hardware, Windows and Linux, and any other OS for that matter, are equally exposed to silent bit-flip corruption. Windows just surfaces the errors more visibly. That’s better logging, not better physics.
Easily the most provably false thing you’ve said. Linux runs 100% of the top 500 supercomputers in the world. It runs the majority of financial infrastructure, safety-critical systems, and enterprise servers globally. Correctness is literally the reason it dominates those environments. The idea that it doesn’t try for correctness is not a technical position, it’s just wrong. At this rate, are you applying for a position in the Trump admin? You’d fit right in for how confidently incorrect you are.
Also still waiting on that Lemmy answer. For someone so against “FOSS commie garbage” you seem pretty active on it, enough to make your own community and moderate it.
I admire your composure, knowledge and patience.
Thanks, I appreciate that! As part of my degree I worked on designing/building and addressing RAM and ROM so it’s a particular area of interest of mine. I enjoyed building address hashes all the way up from NAND gates, to JK/D flip-flops, to eventually said RAM and ROM.
SearXNG also helps with searching and getting relevant articles and results, especially in comparison to Google these days haha.
Which I feel this person may read and believe articles like this thanks to AI 🙃
https://myshoesreview.com/flip-flops/is-ram-made-of-flip-flops/
If you’re interested in what JK flip flops actually are:
https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/digital-logic/what-is-jk-flip-flop/
Random thought - do you use AI to author your comments/posts?