EVs have been on the US market for 14 years and barely penetrated 7% market share. Tesla has killed half its models. Most US EV startups have gone broke.
Lemmy wants Japan to make cars no one is buying. These Japanese car companies are not funded by a cult in a Ponzi scheme, they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat.
Making a bunch of cars no one will buy I guess makes people feel better.
I know people in this industry, and they know designing cars based on internet comments is a disaster. They know to stay afloat you need to make what people buy, not fantasy cars labelled “green”.
Ford sold 823,000 F150s in 2025, up 8%. EV sales actually declined 2% in the same period.
Your numbers are mostly right but your conclusion doesn’t follow.
The 2% decline is due to a subsidy cliff. Q3 2025 was an all-time record 10.5% EV share, Q4 fell to 5.7% because the federal credit died September 30. Full year was still 7.8% and the second-best on record.
“823,000 F150s” is the F-Series, Super Duty and fleet included, not just one model. Through June 2026 it’s down ~13% YoY. By your own logic the F-Series is collapsing. Is it? (Ford Lightening is a great truck btw).
Japan doesn’t just sell cars in the US. It sells cars around the world. Chinese automakers outsold Japanese automakers globally in 2025, roughly 27M to 25M, the first time Japan lost the top spot since 2000. Japanese brands’ share in China fell from ~23% to under 10%. Honda China down 24% in 2025 alone. Nissan down ~60% from its 2018 peak, four straight loss quarters, 20,000 jobs cut. Toyota posted its first North American operating loss since 2008.
You said it yourself: they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat. They’re not staying afloat. Not because of internet comments, because BYD wrecked them in the largest auto market on the planet while they were explaining why EVs wouldn’t work.
Tesla killed S and X because the 3 and Y ate them and Musk says he wants a factory for moronic robots. Tesla still took 46% of a 1.3M-unit US EV market. That’s a product decision, not a demand verdict.
And yes, most US EV startups went broke. About 1,900 American car companies existed before 1930. Three survived. That was never an argument against EVs, its an argument against starting a car company.
Lastly, why are you even here? I don’t know why you’d come to an EV community on lemmy, a place full of enthusiastic EV nerds, just to attempt talking trash about EVs. That’s not going to go well for you. Now go have fun wasting your cash on gasoline and oil changes.
this comment will not age well.
It didn’t even start well.
the middle was kinda dumb too.
EVs have been on the US market for 14 years and barely penetrated 7% market share. Tesla has killed half its models. Most US EV startups have gone broke.
Lemmy wants Japan to make cars no one is buying. These Japanese car companies are not funded by a cult in a Ponzi scheme, they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat.
Making a bunch of cars no one will buy I guess makes people feel better.
I know people in this industry, and they know designing cars based on internet comments is a disaster. They know to stay afloat you need to make what people buy, not fantasy cars labelled “green”.
Ford sold 823,000 F150s in 2025, up 8%. EV sales actually declined 2% in the same period.
Your numbers are mostly right but your conclusion doesn’t follow.
The 2% decline is due to a subsidy cliff. Q3 2025 was an all-time record 10.5% EV share, Q4 fell to 5.7% because the federal credit died September 30. Full year was still 7.8% and the second-best on record.
“823,000 F150s” is the F-Series, Super Duty and fleet included, not just one model. Through June 2026 it’s down ~13% YoY. By your own logic the F-Series is collapsing. Is it? (Ford Lightening is a great truck btw).
Japan doesn’t just sell cars in the US. It sells cars around the world. Chinese automakers outsold Japanese automakers globally in 2025, roughly 27M to 25M, the first time Japan lost the top spot since 2000. Japanese brands’ share in China fell from ~23% to under 10%. Honda China down 24% in 2025 alone. Nissan down ~60% from its 2018 peak, four straight loss quarters, 20,000 jobs cut. Toyota posted its first North American operating loss since 2008.
You said it yourself: they actually have to sell cars to stay afloat. They’re not staying afloat. Not because of internet comments, because BYD wrecked them in the largest auto market on the planet while they were explaining why EVs wouldn’t work.
Tesla killed S and X because the 3 and Y ate them and Musk says he wants a factory for moronic robots. Tesla still took 46% of a 1.3M-unit US EV market. That’s a product decision, not a demand verdict.
And yes, most US EV startups went broke. About 1,900 American car companies existed before 1930. Three survived. That was never an argument against EVs, its an argument against starting a car company.
Lastly, why are you even here? I don’t know why you’d come to an EV community on lemmy, a place full of enthusiastic EV nerds, just to attempt talking trash about EVs. That’s not going to go well for you. Now go have fun wasting your cash on gasoline and oil changes.