And it only got worse.

(This was posted before Musk bought Twitter and before the full-on invasion of Ukraine)

  • arotrios@lemmy.worldEnglish
    29·
    2 days ago

    This is the messaging they use to keep you from ever trying to improve the future.

    Look, every generation thinks the world is going to shit and will end in apocalypse during their lifetime. For the boomers, it was Cold War nukes - for us, it’s technonazis and climate change. Before that it was WWII and then WWI and so on and so on back through the ages.

    And thus far, every generation has been wrong.

    Because within in every generation is a core group of people who get sick of expecting good things to happen, and start making them happen.

    The real question is what kind of person are you?

    • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.orgEnglish
      13·
      2 days ago

      14000 people died due to heat related issues this year in my country alone. How many is it gonna be in 20 years? 500,000 every year? We are completely fucked. If you can’t see that you must be blind or willfully ignorant.

      • snoons@piefed.caEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        I think about this every time I see someone burning gasoline to move themselves somewhere. Especially if it’s purposefully loud. It’s wilful ignorance to do that while the climate is collapsing and people are dying. And there’s so many of them… like what the fuck?

    • brucethemoose@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      2 days ago

      The nuclear threat never went away.

      The climate change problem is also unique in human history, as it takes so long to accumulate that it can “boil us slowly” and take so long to get to the sick-of-it phase that we hit tipping points. Some scientifically minded skeptics (like my Dad) dismiss that with “future geoengineering will fix it,” but I’ve read quite a few papers on that, and they are all horrific.

      The technonazis are also eliminating the human chain needed to maintain psycological control. That human chain was the foil of every past regime in history.

      I agree with your sentiment. Defeatism is harmful, and irrational.

      …But we need to look at these problems with clear eyes, too. There are plausible technical reasons this could actually be different.

      • snoons@piefed.caEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Yes, I’m probably as negative and ‘doomeristic’ as they come, but I still do everything I can to keep the earth from becoming an algae and jellyfish heaven that feed of the extinction of literally everything else.

    • starelfsc2@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      6·
      2 days ago

      The difference for the cold war was it was an imminent, visible threat, that short term decisions could change, where it is beneficial to all parties to prevent it. Climate change is just about the opposite in every possible way.

      There was uncertainty of what might happen in the cold war, but this time we have near certainty that there will be extreme consequences due to climate change, the uncertainty is what other negatives might come with it.

      It’s a little annoying that staying the reality is “doomerism” when I’m still actively fighting against it, and I think it’s a bit harmful to compare it to other situations where we weren’t so absolutely certain of the extreme consequences we will face. If the building is on fire you don’t say it’s not to prevent panic, you want people to know how serious it is.

    • AVincentInSpace@pawb.socialEnglish
      8·
      2 days ago

      um. no I’m pretty sure the WWII ones were right

      also the difference between the rise of fascism in the 1930s and the one now is that there were countries on earth that were not succumbing to it, and combined, those countries had an army that was at least theoretically capable of going toe to toe with the combined armies of the fascists

      if the way to stop fascism is WWIII, where are the fucking allies?

    • grrgyle@slrpnk.netEnglish
      3·
      2 days ago

      I’m finally getting woke to this. Doomsday is always on the horizon — inevitable, implacable. Like a dark end of history where all our good works are crushed to nothing. We may as well have not tried.

      But it never totally arrives. There’s dark times for sure, but short of a gamma ray burst, we keep limping along. As long as there are people still in the game there are ways things could be better or worse depending on what we do today.