Europe is also pretty good for public transit, walking and biking, is it not?
Depends on the location. For example I, coming from Poland find PT in Dublin/Ireland pathetic but all US/Canada immigrants love it and say it extremely better than anything they had back in North America.
I’ve been repeating this ever since the first 2026 Iran war when prices started to go up.
In Australia, the average commute in a petrol car costs $125 per week in petrol. To get an EV on a loan costs $85 in repayments per week and $10 of energy per week.
It is literally cheaper to give an ICE car away and take a loan to buy an EV than to continue to drive an ICE car.
How does one avoid DRM and maintain repairability using common tools outside of the power storage and motors? As in, not requiring a $1,000,000 piece of software with a $6,000/mo subscription to the mothership just to authorize work on the brakes? Yes, Hyundai is already forcing this on customers.
How does one avoid subscriptions, to ensure everything that came with the vehicle works 100% without having to pay a single cent extra? Because if it came with the vehicle I had damn well have full and unrestricted access to use it.
And most importantly, how does one avoid being tracked and recorded, such that absolutely nothing about you, your driving habits, or what happens around your vehicle is uploaded to the manufacturer or even stored on the vehicle, to be recovered at a later date without your express consent, invariably to be used against you?
I’ll gladly buy the first post-1930s EV that has none of these issues.
I fully expect to die of old age before that happens.
That’s my favourite statistic of the year.
This must be why we only have $45,000+ (60k AUD) EVs available in the US. Especially since
theythe Republican morons canceled the tax rebates because they were too woke.Edit: it may not have been clear that I’m stuck with shitty used ice options in a much dumber country than Australia.
I bought a $37,000 (AUD) EV and its fantastic.
This isnt an outlier, a LOT of BEV’s and Hybrids are sub $60k here in australia.Costs me between $0-34 to charge per week.
$0 if i charge on weekends with solar, $34 if i charge only during peak hours, or somewhere in between if i charge off-peak (during rhe night or middle of the day).The tax rebates were for loans, not purchases. And they are being rolled back because they were to incentivise EV uptake, which is no longer neccessary.
Yeah I’m pretty jealous, it’s why so many of us are excited about the Slate truck in the US.
This site has a database of EVs for sale in Australia - currently the cheapest is BYD Atto 1 at $23,990. For comparison, the cheapest ICE car to buy new is Kia Picanto Sport manual at $19,190 (Edit: or MG 3 Vibe auto at $20,990 if you can’t drive a manual transmission).
Oh if the US ever allows BYD to sell here it’s going to be as a rebadged Chevy or Ford. Like in the 80s with econo cars and mini trucks.
But I suspect that won’t happen until all the boomer money finally runs out and car sales fully stop.
new EVs are definitely overpriced, but secondhand ones, for the brave, are an excellent option. Ask me how I know 😁
Donald Trump has instigated the dumbest way to get the world to end its dependency on oil. I sleep well knowing, like the covid vaccine, he can’t brag about it.
I have never bought a vehicle for more than $5k. Once used EV’s are down to that price - and even 10yo Chevy Bolts with nearly-dead batteries are $20k+ up here in Canada - I might reconsider.
Until then, I would much rather plan to do an electric conversion on something simple, like a 2000 Mazda 626 or a Type 2 VW Jetta.
Because my other objection to anything made after 2006 comes down to one of more of three critical nasties:
- Subscriptions. Literally paying a second time for shit that already came with the vehicle.
- Repairability and DRM. If I can’t fix most things outside of the engine and transmission with a basic set of hand tools, it’s a hard no for me. And some cars are already implementing DRM, forcing things like brake replacements to be done at dealerships.
- Privacy. Almost all cars after 2006 and most with OnStar before that time are privacy nightmares. If it phones home with my personal data or stores it anywhere on the vehicle, I need to be able to bodily rip that functionality out of the vehicle without crippling it in any way.
They also provide a better user experience. Combined with a home charger, even the low end EVs are a better overall drive than a class up ICE vehicle. After owning EVs for a couple of years, I realized I can feel the engine when I ride in an ICE vehicle.
Love my EV. Most fun to drive car I’ve ever been in, bar none.
Dat 1 pedal drive on roads with a bunch of turns is something else
Oh yeah! The joy of the open road is so much greater with that smooth and powerful responsiveness.
And one pedal electric driving is a dream in traffic! I used to hate my commute and all the switching between first and second in slow moving queues. Now I glide effortlessly. Takes all the hassle out of it.
Some manufacturers made a software gear change simulation. Idiots! Just press the pedal when you want to go faster! It doesn’t need the delay, ceremony and sponginess of petrol and diesel!
Seeing the difference between the EVs during test driving was so interesting. My EV was the first new car I am fortunate enough to own. I got it as a fuck you to big oil. This was in 2021 and a 2022 volvo. The math on the gas cost is basically broken by this war. I was able to get the $7k rebate and a under inflation loan rate. Listening to science can pay dividends folks.
I’ve just got an EV for my wife to replace her diesel Freelander.
We charge for 8p/kWh. She’s used 124kW to do just over 500 miles, so it’s cost £9.94
In the Freelander is would be about 73l @ £1.90ish a L so would cost around £138
Obviously I have to pay the cost of the lease, but the fuel difference will almost cover that, and the lease covers everything. Insurance, tyres, maintenance etc.
EVs don’t necessarily fit every use case but my wife is a mobile hairdresser and does a lot local driving, it definitely makes sense for her.
And that’s 2025. I’m sure 2026 will be an even bigger difference.
The increase in petrol prices has a lot to do with war, and I think we should recognise the cost of this to people just like us in Ukraine and Iran.
More reason to do it. After all the second and third largest oil exporters have started wars, which then raise the oil price. That is a horrible incentive. However going to EVs weakens their global position.
“But but but! Who cares about the present! Electricity cost will go up too sometime in the future! So buy gas now! Yaargh!!!”
- a - typical O&G promoter.
you feel that painful buzz on your tongue with a 9V battery? you don’t feel that drinking gasoline!
As a EV driver, all the money you save on gas, save it for tires.
It’s all down to driving style. My first set of tires is on 105k km and still has over 5mm thread left.
Drive responsibly and don’t get fooled by marketing. Your EV is not more expensive on tires than a gas car or SUV.
Regardless of driving habits, they are heavier duty because EVs are heavier, so they are slightly more expensive.
All things equal they shouldnt wear any quicker than a non-ev tyre, just a little more to replace.Heavier vehicles do wear tires quicker though. Tires on a heavier vehicle that can easily spin the tires from a standstill every single time moreso.
And batteries are still heavy as fuck.
My EV is much lighter that any SUV or half ton I see and in 4 years, I haven’t spun my tires once. But keep slurring EVs tho, you fit right in with the hundreds of other tries I’ve seen over the last 10 years.
BMW 5 series diesel 1935 KG empty, i5 2235 KG empty.
Mercedes GLC diesel 2115 KG empty, EQC 2545 KG empty (Admittedly a tiny bit longer than the GLC, otherwise based on the same platform, same width)
Show me which EV with a properly sized battery is lighter than its equivalent ICE counterpart.
I haven’t spun my tires once.
Means you aren’t driving, you’re commuting.
Driving and commuting are the same, you’re a hazard, and you’re trying making a big deal out of a nothing burger.
No, I just enjoy driving. If you don’t, take the bus instead of paying for an expensive car
Well good for you that your experience with replacing a gas car with a EV car doesn’t cost you more in tires. That’s not my experience and not the experience of others and yes I spend a more on tires than the ICE car, not SUV, car that I replaced with the same driving habits.
The experience of others is the same as mine. Tires are worn down by high acceleration and weight, not electricity. That means your driving habits and the weight of your vehicle. Now go drive safely.
No one was saying it’s about electricity causing tires to wear down faster there sherlock.
You bought expensive “EV” tires, and they wore out early and you bought the same shit again. They saw you coming.
And you’re here online literally claiming it’s because it’s an EV, and you’re getting mad at someone for pointing out that it’s weight and acceleration, not electricity that wears out tyres.
And you bought a WankPanzerMobile.
The V8 Mustang weighs between 3500lbs-4000lbs and the Tesla Model 3 weighs between 3500lbs-4000lbs.
You either got a heavier model, or you use that electric acceleration more, or you bought gimmicky tires that wear out faster based on some marketing that clearly fooled you into thinking that magically the driving force behind the wheels turning somehow changes the physics between a car, it’s tyres and the road.
You should be ashamed that you’re repeating this marketing crap on the internet, and you should go to a different tyre stop and take your wife with you out someone else who won’t fall for the marketing bullshit.
You were duped. Buy less gimmicky tires. It’s a car, and electricity isn’t magic even if it feels like it is.
Sigh, one last reply before I block you and the rest of this community.
the 2008 V8 manual Mustang’s rated curb weight is 3,483 and the 2018 Model 3 LR is at 3,891, again as my other post stated, they’re roughly equivalent, M3 a bit more and again, PERSONAL EXPERIENCE between the two is that tires that were equivalent Pirelli non “EV Rated” and with equivalent driving styles, the EV just did not last as long and that increased the cost FOR TIRES.
Nowhere did I state you should by “gimmicky” tires as you say and endorsing them, that’s you making a straw man argument.
Fuck, I’ve forgotten how Internet EV owners on the internet can be absolutely insufferable.
It’s the extra weight or the extra acceleration or the different tyres. It can’t be the electricity, as you admitted elsewhere.
Put it in eco mode, drive less aggressively, get a lighter car or buy harder tyres, or of you don’t want that, then buy tyres more frequently because you adore the acceleration. (I sure do.) And you’re still saving on pollution and money over a fossil fuel car.
But I don’t go through tyres like you do and I don’t completion about my car letting me zoom to my heart’s content.
It’s possible to drive an EV calmly and enjoy the smooth efficiency, which is another thing I like to do.
Tires last longer if you don’t drive like a cunt.
Life last longer if you don’t talk like a cunt.
Found the american !
Tires, wipers, and wiper fluid. the only maintenance I have done in 70k miles on my volvo.
EVs are slightly heavier than visually similarly sized ICE vehicles. They also tend to have significantly higher torque from a stopped position, so those who like to mash the throttle with a heavier foot might experience much faster wear than they’re used to.
But drive it like normal and they should basically still last 90% as long as tires on a similarly specced ICE vehicle.
I went from a V8 mustang to the model 3 so they’re fairly close to the same weight class, model 3 still weights a bit more, and similar type of acceleration and course my driving is going to be the same in both. I went from 40 -45K miles between tire changes to 25K -30K between changes with similar Pirelli tires and a early “EV rated” tires, which were more expensive than even the Pirelli’s.
That’s been my experience with my EV so far but even with the tires, it’s still better than ICE for the most part.
Wow, you fell for the marketing “EV” tyres and then when the expensive gimmick tyres didn’t last you let the salesman convince you it was the electric motor that did it!
I went with the “EV rated” tires because at that point I was willing to try something different after having two sets of tires that lasted less than 25K out of a 50K rated tire that lasted 15K longer on a similar car and surprisingly that “EV rated” tire did last a bit longer than the stock or Perilli’s even though the ride was not great.
Jesus fucking christ, apparently people in this sub have no reading comprehension skills and like to just piss on anything that’s not in praise of everything EV with strawman arguments.
You can’t have it both ways. Either the tyres are worse or the weight is more or your driving has more acceleration than it used to be with your gas guzzler.
I’m calling bullshit on it being anything other than tyres, weight and/or driving style. That delicious electric acceleration is a delight from the off, as I know very well, and I’d be sceptical indeed if someone who previously chose a V8 Mustang claimed that they didn’t indulge in it a lot.
Now that your EV is giving you so much razz, your tyres are wearing out more. If you want to save money on tyres, put it in whatever economy mode it has and go gently away from the lights. Or have the fun and but new tyres more. But don’t blame the car for giving you the acceleration you enjoy, and don’t blame the electricity for wearing out the tyres!
This is so interesting. I’m a slow and cautious EV driver with an older 1T Minicab-MiEV which runs light truck tyres. My hoon friends look aghast and would never drive such a dinky car. It weighs less than half a standard ICE ute. But I’ve been told my tyres need changing after only around 20k-30k km. Minicabs do have tiny tyres and I do more highway than city driving, so that is likely part of the equation, but it could be that there really is something more to this that EVs run through tyres faster, and not just because of weight. Which sucks as particulates in the environment are often from tyre wear 😞
I found the stock tires on mine underperformed the michelins I replaced them with.
The only thing that is still way too expensive is the insurance, which can get up to 1000€ for some vehicles.
Including gas vehicles and you know it. Premiums are based on statistics for car model, driver, location, and never on powertrain.
Here’s something looked up for one of the cars i was considering, Hyundai Ioniq 5 insurance cost is around 2000€ a year in Germany.
That’s the high end sports version, I have the base model and it’s fast enough insurance ~£600
No, that’s the base model on that website, the 5 N was listed at 3000€ a year if you clicked on that.
But the same website lists my old car (Diesel) for ~1400 a year and I paid 600 a year in Estonia. It’s also full coverage + liability, which is only necessary for new cars, you can drop that cost when you’ve paid it off, liability is cheap
Wtf is up with insurance in Estonia? I did got some quotes in the £2000 range (and one at £6000) but there are literally hundreds of insurance companies in the UK
For a Hyundai Ioniq 1st gen in Canada, insurance is less than $2000 CAD. I don’t have to look it up. I’ve been paying between $1000 and $2000 CAD forever no matter what car I’ve had. I buy an EV i can afford, not the year’s model with more bells and whistles than i care to know about. And I don’t buy gasoline, which save me another $1000 or more.
No one steals EVs. Try insuring a Lexus SUV -2X everything else.
And did you factor in the cost of electricity?
depreciation? did you know that EV’s have a high depreciation, so if budget is a concern, you should be looking at second hand cars instead of of new ones? look it up!
Ioniq 5 in Canada: $68K. 3 years later, $28K. EVs are cheap used.
Counterpoint, id7 is roughly in line with ICE in Germany but you can get thg quota and the rest of the ownership is cheaper
Teslas, because they are unfixable.
