cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/5431344

The enshittification of the internet follows a predictable trajectory: first, platforms are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. It doesn’t have to be this way. Enshittification occurs when companies gobble each other up in an orgy of mergers and acquisitions, reducing the internet to “five giant websites filled with screenshots of text from the other four” (credit to Tom Eastman!), which lets them endlessly tweak their back-ends to continue to shift value from users and business-customers to themselves. The government gets in on the act by banning tweaking by users - reverse-engineering, scraping, bots and other user-side self-help measures - leaving users helpless before the march of enshittification. We don’t have to accept this! Disenshittifying the internet will require antitrust, limits on corporate tweaking - through privacy laws and other protections - and aggressive self-help measures from alternative app stores to ad blockers and beyond!

  • rickdg@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The internet will always have many niche places, but overall it can’t escape late stage capitalism.

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    1 year ago

    A good search engine would be nice to have (again). How come even duck duck go or other (free?) search engines are also so bad now?

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      1 year ago

      Because operating a search engine is expensive. I personally use Kagi and love it, but that’s $10/month for unlimited searches.

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        1 year ago

        I tried the 100 free searches from Kagi and compared the results to DDG. In almost every search the results were the same. Even the order. I think the real benefit to Kagi is the lack of ads and tracking, tha’s all.

        I think the real reason search sucks these days is the AI they put between you and what your looking for. It’s no longer searching for what you typed, it’s searching for what it thinks you want.

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          1 year ago

          The huge benefit of Kagi is that they allow you to customize results and blacklist SEO spam or deprioritize sites you don’t care about in your results. Out of the box, I’ve had a similar experience with the results being very similar to DDG, though. Over time, I suspect it’d be a better overall experience, but that’s hard to judge in 100 searches.

          I’ve been on the fence whether that’s worth the cost to me, but I’ve been increasingly leaning toward biting the bullet.

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            1 year ago

            I’ve been giving it a go, too. It does seem to be a bit better overall, with customized site priorities being the coolest part.

            I think I could get on board for 5 bucks, but a tenskee a month is something I’ll look at twice whenever I take a critical look at the subscriptions.

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                1 year ago

                True. I get weird with caps, but maybe 300 would be reasonable. I’ll definitely consider that when the trial runs dry!

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                  1 year ago

                  I thought i would use more, but i am averaging 2.5 per day which will be just fine. When/if you run out for the month you can always pass “!ddg” into it because its free and doesnt count against you.

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          I understand hating subscriptions but in this case a one time payment would require Kagi to continually gain an increasing number of members for eternity or run out of operating money and shut down. You could hope for something donation-based like most Lemmy instances, but just expecting other users to cover your costs is selfish. There’s a difference between asking your users to at least pay what they’re costing you and rent-seeking with things that don’t or shouldn’t cost you a dime to provide. Subscription services have existed for a very, very long time (see: any government that collects taxes), it’s only recently and due to greedy trends that they’ve been becoming a nuisance.

          If you want to empower your own sense of privacy and security, you’ll need to accept that you’ve been paying for services with your data or supposed ad views for decades, and some of those services cost money to run.

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    1 year ago

    We need more than this.

    We need a way to make sure that the internet can’t be owned, physically.

    We need some kind of easy to use and fast and robust open source alternate internet that we can all use.

    Something that somehow costs nothing to run, that has enough storage and bandwidth for everyone and everything.

    Something that has interoperability built in. Every platform should confirm to openid or openauth or activitypub or something like that.

    And you know what? we have the technology!

    We all have spare devices lying around. Old PC’s, old laptops, old phones - they could all be running some kind of node in a distributed platform of some kind of open source AWS equivalent, and let anyone host anything and post anything without getting ad-raped or data stolen.

    It’s a pipe dream of mine, and I’m sure others… but with a will and a movement we could just take it all back, all at once.

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      1 year ago

      and let anyone host anything

      That’s how they’ll spin the legislation to ban it:

      Pedophiles and terrorists use that service!

      Side note – I wanted to use ‘X’ instead as a variable above, but Musk ruined that.

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      1 year ago

      Search for Locutus, it’s very similar to what I’ve been imagining, only real (well, not yet, it’s a project).

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        7 months ago

        The result you may get then is “I am… Locutus of Enshittification. Resistane… is futile. You life, as it has been… is over. From this time forward… you will service… us” which may make you go "Lock on and file all weapons on full!’