• BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.worldOP
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      It’s really really progressive church who are not like those shitty conservative churches. I don’t think anything of those churches either.

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        Participating in any Christianity props up and validates the bad ones.

        That said, if you really are the “good ones” then I wish you luck in fixing the rest of Jesus’ stray flock. And I hope you personally get the chance to fix some of them.

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          I don’t want to fix anybody. I want to do my best and be with other people who also feel that way, in an inclusive and completely welcoming way to all. I absolutely hate the bastardized version of Christianity it has become for many and I won’t stand for it.

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            Well that’s a shame. As a fellow Christian you’re in the unique position to “call in” your peers and actually be listened to.

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          This right here. There are no good participants in religion. Everyone participating, no matter their intent or actions, is s part of the problem. Because they enable the bad behavior by supporting the underlying common beliefs and adding some degree of legitimacy to this.

          It’s the same problem with ACAB

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          You don’t “fix” other people. You fix yourself. That’s all you have any control over.

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            You don’t control other people, but you constantly influence them.

            Isn’t the whole point of a pastor to encourage other people to be their best selves? Isn’t that fixing them?

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          Probably they’re more like Quakers, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, United Church of Christ, or United Methodists. You know, the denominations with openly gay clergy who see their role as advancing the cause of social justice and helping the poor and disenfranchised in their communities.

          Giving people shit for a label is bigoted as fuck. Also, thanks for making a dad joke thread about your unresolved religious trauma.

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              You’re holding this person responsible for an evil because they share a demographic with the perpetrators, even though they have nothing to do with it? Yeah that sounds like bigotry to me.

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                  Correct me if I’m misapplying your logic then, but it sounds like this means…

                  • It’s okay to hold Muslims responsible for Al Qaeda because they can just choose not to follow Islam.
                  • It’s okay to think of all Romani as criminals because they can just choose to leave their culture.
                  • It’s okay to be misandristic because they can just choose to transition.
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            United Methodists are no longer cool. They voted against gay marriage. And yes, to be fair, a good number of local congregations were pissed

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              That seems to be more of a kick-the-can vote to allow the more conservative churches time to leave.

              More than 6,000 United Methodist congregations — a fifth of the U.S. total — have now received permission to leave the denomination amid a schism over theology and the role of LGBTQ people in the nation’s second-largest Protestant denomination

              With these departures, progressives are expected to propose changing church law at the next General Conference in 2024 to allow for same-sex marriage and the ordination of LGBTQ people.

              https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2023-07-06/one-in-five-united-methodist-congregations-in-the-us-have-left-the-denomination-over-lgbtq-conflicts

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                That seems to be more of a kick-the-can vote to allow the more conservative churches time to leave.

                “We only voted against human rights so the people who are against those human rights can leave with all their money and property intact, we promise!”

                Man, you’re making these “progressive” churches sound wonderful!

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                  Compromises are useful when you want something. When your side is about to win you don’t blow up the organization unless you have a mental problem.

                  Also, from what I can tell the gay bishops voted for the compromise. If they thought it was the right way to handle it, I am not going to shame them for it.

                  We will see if they make good on it next year.

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                Not that I give a fuck whether the UMC survives, but you are correct. The bigots are leaving the denomination and many/most that left joined the Global Methodist Church.

                The only reason that the UMC wasn’t gay as fuck years ago is because the denomination is global and the African churches are bigoted against LGBTQ+. Their votes plus a fifth of USA congregations was enough to guarantee a schism. They’re just being strategic about the breakup because of how property is owned in the denomination.

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              True, sadly. Though there’s been a lot of local defiance of that and in 2024 they’re expected to vote on it again.

              The local UM congregation in my city has a gay pastor and giant banners up detailing that they are open and affirming. There’s a whoooole splinter going on right now.

              Some of the conservative nutjobs are breaking off too, but a lot of that is in the US South (and Africa, interestingly; still a lot of homophobia on that continent).

              Also should be mentioned that there are two similarly named Presbyterian church denominations and one is cool and the other is VERY not.

              Still, all the more reason to not get hung up on labels.

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            United Methodist is a tricky example to use. I know because I was one of their clergy at one point.

            Officially they still ban gay clergy, even after the recent schism where the most-bigoted group left and formed the “Global Methodist Church.”

            American United Methodists (especially the clergy) tend to be fairly progressive, but the African and Asian branches of the church are massive and extremely conservative. They’ve managed to keep the church from being able to change its official stance on homosexuality, which is that it’s “incompatible with Christian teaching.”

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            Giving people shit for a label is bigoted as fuck.

            Only if you have no choice about it. I have zero qualms criticizing people for their choices.

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              From Merriam-Webster:

              Bigot
              : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
              especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

              Synonyms include dogmatist, partisan, and sectarian.

              Here’s an article that may help you to understand why you are a bigot a bit better: https://www.existbetter.co/single-post/2019/04/15/Bigotry-is-a-SymptomHow-to-Handle-a-Bigot

              Hopefully we can eliminate hate of all kinds from this world.

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                Racial or ethnic groups are made up of people who did not have a choice about their race or ethnicity. While indoctrination from childhood can certainly cause a person’s religious views, and work alongside community pressure to keep them pinned in place, ultimately an individual is responsible for their own thoughts. Criticizing someone for what they think is not bigotry.

                Your article link goes to a domain that does not exist.

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                  Maybe it’s blocked in your country. I had no trouble accessing the article.

                  EDIT: Looks like the website got deleted after I linked it. Weird.

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            I’m not religious these days, but I’m really glad the church I raised in was a UCC church. My first experience with blatant church bigotry was when I went to a Baptist church service with a friend when I was around 10. Pastor used 3 slurs within 10 minutes, even as a 10 year old I was wondering what the fuck happened to love thy neighbor.

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              To keep it straight, remember when Jesus declared all foods clean. He didn’t say “all foods are clean,” he gave a policy basically stating that external things aren’t where sin lies, but internal, which meant that foods are clean. The same can be said of clothing policies, the health code, etc… Sin lives in the heart, and unless you think it’s wrong, marks on your skin generally aren’t going to taint your heart.

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        For me it’s not about the shittiness of the Church. If you are from a progressing and welcoming church then that’s great and you’re probably giving some people a community who might not have had one otherwise.

        I get more caught up in the fact that an adult would actually believe this crap. Even young kids know magic isn’t real but actual adult humans believe in it with all their hearts.

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    Mine used to be “Router, i hardly knew her!” Now its “Router 66” and “Router65g”

    Edit: Just wanted to add to this. Router 66 is a reference to route 66 in america which is a very old highway that spans 2400 miles and it is the name of my 2.4g SSID (see what i did there). I think rhe 65g is fairly self explanatory.

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      A “land of milk and honey” is a place of opportunity where one hopes to find a better life. I first heard the term in the song Nancy from Now On by Father John Misty. After looking it up because of this post, at some point in the Bible Israel is described as a land flowing with milk and honey multiple times.

      LAN is short for local area network and only one letter away from land, so a church naming their wifi “Lan of Milk and Honey” crosses the similar sounding technical term related to the wifi with a biblical term related to the church, thereby achieving a pun. I hope that helps you get it!

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          Then your question was a lame (and ignorant) attack on religion.

          You want child abuse? Look to schools. The stats don’t lie.

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            The Archdiocese of Boston is filing for bankruptcy in the face of massive sexual abuse cases being brought by victims. Take your invisible friends and your ignorance elsewhere.

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              Yawn

              You clearly have an axe to grind - again, go look at schools, which are a sexual abuse problem magnitudes greater than all churches, combined.

              And save your personal insults, your sophistry. They just expose your intentions for what they are.

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                So that archdiocese isn’t declaring bankruptcy in the face of victim’s coming forward?

                You have an invisible friend. Historically the rational people eventually have to mop you guys up anyway…lol