https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/14knc6t/got_r4d_for_pirating_someone_elses_john_oliver_so/
Pirates want to stay on Reddit? This is the last group I had expected to have such a reaction, but here we are. Yes, the mod could have worded it better, but these people actually want to stick around on Reddit.
I personally find Lemmy to be a perfectly viable alternative to Reddit for such subs. I wonder about the reasons why these people still don’t want to move.
To be fair, anyone who actually cares is not on reddit anymore, so you’re seeing the worst of the worst takes.
A lot of people on r/piracy are pirates by convenience, not by ethics. The sub being shut down is not convenient for them. It’s really sad to see how many people have the attention span of a goldfish, and can’t think beyond “this isn’t convenient for me today.”
Pirates by ethics = root of socialism, anarchism?
Pirates by convenience = root of capitalism and imperialism?
For me, at least, there are companies worth pirating stuff from. I don’t pretend to be ethical in any way, although I do avoid pirating from indie devs. It’s been a long while since I pirated anything, tbh. I just like the community here and it’s nice to keep up with the news.
Exactly. I don’t pirate too much, I’m happy just playing my favorite video games (paid for because they are good) and talking in chat rooms, but if I wanted to play a Nintendo Game with friends I would 100% pirate it; it’s ethical in this case and I have really no other way to do it.
Especially their back catalog. Nintendo is sitting on tons of lost money for reasons I don’t really understand
If they sold the old games still piracy rates would probably go down and they would get more money, so it would be pretty much a win-win for Nintendo. Or am I missing something?
No, you’re right, and that’s absolutely what I’m saying. Presently, the only avenue if you want to relive the old Pokémon games is to steal them. That, if you ask me, is big dumb
Ah, okay. Guess I’ll just keep pirating Nintendo games then, half because I hate Nintendo and half because it’s the only way to get them now.
Well I certainly don’t give a fuck about ethics so I just pirate cuz I want. And on that note I also use reddit sometimes because why not. I’m not here ideologically, just cuz it’s a nice place to be in. I like it here. I use lemmy more than Reddit nowadays. Reddit is a source of information and sometimes memes. Lemmy for the good place to be in.
People are dumb bud… there is, just a lot of plain dumb people out there.
Why? Idk bud, people are dumb just that no more questions about it. People are dumb.
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
- George Carlin
Some days I think “People can’t possibly be that dumb, right?” and them I’m let down every time, 'cause they are.
Seems to apply to everything involving people.
To not even mention other animals.
It’s important to note that the default state of people is being dumb. It takes effort, exposure and more qualities/circumstances during a person’s early years to not be dumb.
Many people just didn’t grow up in an environment that allows that, it’s actually a quite specific one that doesn’t happen automatically.
And once the early life phase is over, mental plasticity is a lot lower, so very very few people go from “dumb” to “not dumb”.
If you want to be less dumb, I can really recommend https://lesswrong.com/rationality
What do you expect? All sensible people are probably already left the sub at this point, as evidenced by all those comments in the post you linked.
Mass scale brain drain that’s only going to get worse
I feel like they don’t understand the point of the john oliver posts. Someone said it only turns the community to shit. Yeah, that is LITERALLY the reason so that people migrate away and turn reddit into a mess after spez’s decision. Oh, how quickly people forgot about the protest, spez was right.
My favourite are the comments of people saying “return the sub back to normal, this shit is stupid and isn’t doing anything! I don’t even use Apollo so I don’t care” - posted from Boost for Reddit.
A lot of people don’t even understand. They genuinely think this only affects Apollo and that Christian is being a baby lol. Can’t wait to see their faces when their app stops working and they whine.
they’ll have to manage using the Reddit app to whine, so there will be a delay!
Or they’ll feel stupid and try to pretend the official app is great.
A year ago I tried using the official app because people would chat with me, and I would miss them. Lasted about 3 days before I couldn’t handle it anymore. It’s so bad.
Now spez has deleted all my accounts and IP banned me, so I don’t even need to worry lmao.
I’ve seen someone unironically whine about how the mods were harming more users than Reddit mods. And of course, r/AskReddit’s pseudo-neutrality is infuriating.
to be fair what’s happening is the folks who didn’t jump ship are now the loudest voices. Good luck with that brain drain reddit
People’s resistance to change is quite strong, even if they have good reason to leave and lemmy/fediverse are great alternatives the fact is that in terms of UX lemmy can be quite different and takes some time to find and rebuild a list of communities to join, specially since you can have the same community on different servers (i.e. technology on beehaw vs technology on lemmy.world) and just this fact means a learning curve for people that for the most part don’t like change.
For example, the NewPipe community on
lemmy.mlis tiny and pretty much dead, whereas the Reddit one was much more active. Communities like that which have reopened might make people want to stay on Reddit, unfortunately.Laziness and the pull towards the familiar are powerful reinforcers of the status quo…
This is actually something I think might be concerning in the long run. Reddit’s current direction has driven away a contingent of users who tend to share similar moral values; Lemmy’s userbase tends pretty left with a lot of content here being anti-capitalist and pro-marginalized groups. It makes sense that decentralized federated networks would be attractive to those subsets of users.
What I’m afraid of is that this will create a vacuum in which Reddit becomes even more of a breeding grounds for right-wing rhetoric and propaganda without the presence of these users to balance it out a bit. I know that as a Reddit-addicted teen, I hovered dangerously close to some pretty disgusting ideologies. Thankfully I discovered some leftist communities which expanded my narrow worldview and veered me to a much happier path. I don’t think reddit as a platform will die, but I fear those communities might, and I shudder to think at what reddit could become without them.
So basically Twitter v2
There are always two things in combative balance when dealing with liberatory politics. They are the benefits of sticking around and having conversations about liberatory politics, and the costs of sticking around when there’s little to no productive discussion going on. Reddit, I do not believe, is currently in a place where anyone but the most anti-capitalist or anti-moderation advocates will believe that continued participation on the platform will remain beneficial. For me, I’m in the former super anti-capitalist group, and I no longer wish to provide monetary value to a platform that’s being run in a non-inclusive manner. I, however, am self-aware enough to realize I might be bailing from communities that could still benefit from discussion early, so I won’t hold it against anyone who still wants to stay there and keep fighting. Worth noting, the anti-capitalist and the anti-moderation free speech absolutist are not necessarily friends, and in fact probably aren’t.
Anyway. The second position. The position where things are too far gone that the most beneficial thing to do is to leave and to advocate for leaving, and to advocate for external intervention. This is where I view Twitter as being. The benefit of staying on Twitter to keep it from becoming an alt-right echo chamber has evaporated, and the platform can no longer be saved from the abusive and exploitative owner and ownership group. By staying on Twitter, you are no longer helping guide conversations in a positive direction, you are only giving people a hook to keep them on a harmful platform.
It’s hard, possibly impossible, to recognize where on the sliding scale of beneficial to stay and beneficial to leave any community is on. I don’t have a good sign-off for this. I guess all I have to say in conclusion is that it’s hard.
