• qdJzXuisAndVQb2@lemm.ee
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      No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. Israel should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.

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        “It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time.”

        We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn’t work like that.

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          God especially on the internet, can’t have any nuance about “well you’re right, but that doesn’t mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist” it’s just “You’re as extreme as me or you’re on the other side

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          It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.

          Palestine in general being a victim doesn’t automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.

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            That doesn’t mean you get to glass Palestine. If people really cared about dead babies and a death toll then they would be against Israel doing this.

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      Get yourself a lesson in History and don’t just repeat the old antisemitic bullshit story.

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        The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (deaths/injuries) documented by the UN:

        2008:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,202
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 853

        2009:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 7,460
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 123

        2010:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 1,659
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 185

        2011:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,260
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 136

        2012:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,936
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 578

        2013:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,031
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 157

        2014 :
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 19,860
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 2,796

        2015 :
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 14,813
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 339

        2016:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,572
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 222

        2017:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 8,526
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 174

        2018:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 31,558
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 130

        2019:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 15,628
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 133

        2020:
        Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,781
        Israel 🇮🇱 : 61

        Source: Géopolia

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          Are these numbers civilian or combatant’s deaths/injuries? What was the background? Who attacked, who defended itself?

          You know, numbers without context are nothing more than numbers.

          As I said already, get some lessons in History.

          KTHXBYE

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        Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. I missed the part in the Torah that says “start an apartheid ethnostate and brutalize your neighbors”.