There is a prequel to this and the words Israel and Hamas are exchanged.
I’m no supporter of either and I don’t believe that killing civilians on either side will answer questions, it will only make matters worse.
As Gandhi put it … “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth … leaves a world full of blind, toothless people”
As professor Farnsworth once said, “Now, now, perfectly symmetrical violence never solved anything”
Gandhi was a total piece of shit pretending to be one of the good guys. Which I guess is pretty relevant to this conflict.
Also that quote is from Exodus.
On a long enough timeline everyone is a piece of shit. You on the other hand, are one right now.
So?
Ghandi suxx
yes with all the nukes and stuff, a complete lunatic
This guy Civs
If you think Gandhi was bad, you should look into Mother Theresa - the woman was literally a Disney cartoon villain.
I’m not convinced she wasn’t a sadist and got joy from the suffering of others.
I’m convinced that she was.
Only the eye for an eye was the bible, the world goes blind was Ghandi.
Can you like, provide some sources ? I want to read about it
I want both sides to lose at this point
Let’s dig a very wide canal connecting the Dead Sea, Red Sea & Sea of Galilee to the Mediterranean… Maybe about 250 miles wide would do it
The post doesn’t mention Hamas, it’s talking about the previous killings of people in gaza. Not everyone in Gaza is in support of Hamas
Gandhi on Zionism:
My sympathies are all with the Jews.
…
But my sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice.
…
Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and inhuman to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct. The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as their national home.
Edit: This was 1938, btw. 10 years before the Nakba.
Ghandi abused his wife regularly and ended up killing her by way of refusing to let her go to a doctor. I’ll not be accepting any of his quotes, thanks.
I’m sure you’re chillin with Stalin and Lenin quotes tho lmaoo
Only for you, snowflake.
Wut
Get a room
Wut
Treat people like animals for decades, it’s no surprise how they act. Israel is at fault for both sides deaths.
No. Humans are more than their base instincts. Hamas should not have murdered civilians. Israel should not be abusing Gazans. Both are true at the same time.
“It is hard to remember that people can be both victim and perpetrator at the same time.”
We try often try to assign one group as the good guys and the other as the bad guys. It doesn’t work like that.
God especially on the internet, can’t have any nuance about “well you’re right, but that doesn’t mean personal responsibility just ceases to exist” it’s just “You’re as extreme as me or you’re on the other side”
Palestine isn’t Hamas. Hamas doesn’t represent all of Palestine
It does however represent the group that killed 1000+ people, mostly civilians, with no clear goal beyond their stated desire for Jewish extinction and radical islamic Sharia law to be spread as far as possible.
Palestine in general being a victim doesn’t automatically make Hamas the good guys or their specific actions acceptable.
That doesn’t mean you get to glass Palestine. If people really cared about dead babies and a death toll then they would be against Israel doing this.
I didn’t say it did, though I suppose that goes for what I said as well.
Right, but more than one thing can be true at once.
Get yourself a lesson in History and don’t just repeat the old antisemitic bullshit story.
The human cost of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (deaths/injuries) documented by the UN:
2008:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,202
Israel 🇮🇱 : 8532009:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 7,460
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1232010:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 1,659
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1852011:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,260
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1362012:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,936
Israel 🇮🇱 : 5782013:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 4,031
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1572014 :
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 19,860
Israel 🇮🇱 : 2,7962015 :
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 14,813
Israel 🇮🇱 : 3392016:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 3,572
Israel 🇮🇱 : 2222017:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 8,526
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1742018:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 31,558
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1302019:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 15,628
Israel 🇮🇱 : 1332020:
Palestine 🇵🇸 : 2,781
Israel 🇮🇱 : 61Source: Géopolia
Are these numbers civilian or combatant’s deaths/injuries? What was the background? Who attacked, who defended itself?
You know, numbers without context are nothing more than numbers.
As I said already, get some lessons in History.
KTHXBYE
Can you provide any sources to assist in this history lesson you want people to have?
Seems like a fair and balanced fight
Jfc the irony in your comment
Criticizing Israel is not anti-semitism. I missed the part in the Torah that says “start an apartheid ethnostate and brutalize your neighbors”.
I personally don’t like this “one site bad” thing(in this conflict at least). Of course, in terms of killed persons Israel is the bad guy, but also the things the Hamas did are pretty fucked up. I personally came to the conclusion that both sides are bad, Israel is allowed to defense itself against this brutality but shouldn’t take the opportunity to absolutely fuck Palestine again(what it sadly does). I’m not for Israel or Palestine. I’m for the civilists and human rights.
You have to look at it in terms of power dynamics though. Israel is a uS backed settler colonial apartheid regime that propped up Hamas because they would rather face Islamic fundamentalists then socialist opposition. They’re either directly or indirectly responsible for all of the violence.
Only one side could hypothetically end the violence tomorrow.
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Hamas having hostages isn’t stopping Israel bombing hospitals and cutting off food, water, and electricity to the region. If it doesn’t stop them from escalating violence why do you think it is preventing them from making concessions and ending the violence?
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Here is just one strike, that basically killed half a thousand people https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/10/gaza-un-experts-decry-bombing-hospitals-and-schools-crimes-against-humanity
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Israel literally warned they’d bomb the hospital twice before it was bombed, but sure.
Love to deny the crimes of an apartheid state
I personally don’t like this “one site bad” thing(in this conflict at least). Of course, in terms of killed persons Israel is the bad guy
In terms of killing children, women AND in the most cowardly manner, there’s no good manner but they succeed to go beyond that.
ESH.
No, no, it’s heroic when Isreal does it
Cause reasons
I’m not going to sit on a platform that has this low bar for dumb “memes” and world views with that high upvote number.
- Leave home
- Go Palestine
- “Balfour declaration bitches”
- Kick people out of their homes
- People mad
- “Oh no help meeereee”
Israel isn’treal.
Yeah this meme doesn’t work for Hamas… the person being shot isn’t a child.
and my finger got wounded against the trigger!
And you really think palestinians have no hand in any of that? Jews were persecuted and exiled from all over the world, left their home after it became too hostile for a better future. Palestinians chose to stay in an explosive situation, waging wars and losing them. When your neighbour is stronger and doesn’t want you - leave. Every nation in the world knows this except for the palestinians.
- Leave home
- Go Palestine
- “Balfour declaration bitches”
- Kick people out of their homes
- People mad
- “Oh no help meeereee”
There is no moral ground for Israel at all. Learn history.
no moral ground for Israel
The UN vote of 1948 would like to have a word with you, random internet person who clearly knows better than them.
And again, it’s one thing being mad and starting a war about it. It’s another thing not starting a country of your own because of it and staying refugees 70 years later, promising to only better your own life ones your enemy is dead. The palestinian mentality is just plain stupid.
And who gave the UN the right to decide? The Palestinian land was usurped by the post WW2 world order and given to the Zionists.
I think you agree had the Ottoman caliphate not collapsed and lost power the result would’ve been different.
So what happened is taking advantage of a vacuum in power to gain a long term foothold in the heart of the Muslim civilization. The Jewish exodus just happened to be the best way to do it.
This had been planned since the late 1800s.
And the dying caliphate signaled the Zionist conspirators to pounce.
heart of the Muslim civilization
Dude what? Did they move Mecca to Jerusalem while I wasn’t looking?
And if we’re talking pre 48 era, we’re gonna be here all day, since in that era neither Israel nor Palestinians had any proper leadership and most of the actions were performed by nationals on both sides. Yeah Zionism played a heavy part in creating that conflict, but it also did basically nothing wrong on its own. All zionism is is jewish migration towards Israel (holiest land for jews). And they didn’t plan on fighting for it, they bought lands legally, started their own communities and lived peacefully up until the ottommens and then later the british stopped them from migrating out of fear of arab muslim resistance to jews coming (again, not kicking anyone out). Only facing resistance did jews start to fight, and they fought hard. Just proves how holy and important that land was for jews. So don’t start displaying the natives of that time as completely innocent. Imaging today France started blocking immigration because the migrating population isn’t french enough for them.
