• Pipoca@lemmy.world
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    3 年前

    Hamas, as mentioned, is an offshoot of the Muslim brotherhood. The Muslim brotherhood still exists in Egypt, despite Egypt not oppressing Muslims. Hamas might not have split off into a separate organization, but they’d basically still exist without Israel.

    More to the point, though, why Israel? Why did Jews want to establish a state in Israel? Are you really going to argue that had nothing to do with religion? The second intifada was literally caused by Ariel Sharon visiting the Al-Aqsa mosque. Clearly, that had nothing to do with religion either.

    I’m not saying that the conflict is purely religious. It’s a complex blend of religion and politics.

    Arguing that religion has nothing to do with it is ridiculous.

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      Why did Jews settle in Israel?

      There were many there already. It is their historical homeland of origin.

      It has cultural significance as a past Jewish homeland.

      And frankly I think being surrounded by enemies has been galvanizing for them, not a minus at all.

      AND, here’s the main thing I think you are insisting on missing: it has religious significance too, which whips up certain people into a fervor.

      Just because leaders manipulate people with religion doesn’t mean they are religiously motivated. Religion is for manipulating people. It has a great impact on certain people and situations, but it’s a tool. For example, if you want suicide bombers, it’s a tool for convincing them to die. This doesn’t mean religion is the reason you’re bombing. Religion is a how not a why (except for in the minds of some pawns, which I’ll allow is true).