This is the dumbest response to any sort of argument and meant intentionally to make an argument rather than a discussion. Facts don’t care about feelings, but people do. And if you don’t care about the person you are talking to you are just a hack looking to exploit.
Granted I’m human and have made this mistake when people forget about facts and try to bring them the side I see and have faultered. But I’m not trying to exploit it into a brand of morality and claim I am better than anyone else either.
Goddamn, you really got yourself worked up there, and a shit take to boot. Most of the time that someone uses the phrase “facts don’t care about your feelings” those people are arguing in bad faith, cherry picking data and purposefully excluding context to cater to their desired conclusion. My go to example is the statistics of violent crime convictions by race. There are so many extraneous details to that statistic that you could never truly conclude anything based on that statistic alone. It fails to take into account the environmental conditions, social factors, economic factors, and biases in the justice system when you present that statistic at face value.
Are you responding to the correct comment? I literally never said anything defensive… basically nothing you said applies to me or my comment, so it’s pretty clear you are engaging in some egregious projection there. Hopefully you figure your problems out.
I mean, where did I specify right-wingers in my comment? I intentionally left it open because of course people of different opinions are capable of bad faith argument. Once again, you are projecting, and it’s making you look silly.
I can see that reading isn’t your thing. In a podcast, yes it’s a hacky gimmick that right wing dumbasses repeat because critical thinking isn’t about as abundant as teeth or girls that they share amongst themselves.
But when you are actually talking to someone, feelings do matter. Or you are just blurting out stuff for your own ego. Your facts don’t mean shit to the person listening unless you care about how they are receiving the information.
No one, and I mean this stronger than I do to anyone I have ever said anything to (including my son or mother), no one, is so important that their information is above this social norms.
There is no saving humanity conversation like in the movies. Or some dumb hero’s quest with your knowledge. You are just like the rest of us. Your facts are easily found. The relationships you have with people are not.
Feelings do matter in the real world. It’s a snake oil salesman pitch to sell a “real man’s” cosplay that people buy because they can’t look internally to actually fix themselves.
Oh look what you’ve done. You’ve driven me to point at Sartre’s antisemite quote:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
This is the dumbest response to any sort of argument and meant intentionally to make an argument rather than a discussion. Facts don’t care about feelings, but people do. And if you don’t care about the person you are talking to you are just a hack looking to exploit.
Granted I’m human and have made this mistake when people forget about facts and try to bring them the side I see and have faultered. But I’m not trying to exploit it into a brand of morality and claim I am better than anyone else either.
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Goddamn, you really got yourself worked up there, and a shit take to boot. Most of the time that someone uses the phrase “facts don’t care about your feelings” those people are arguing in bad faith, cherry picking data and purposefully excluding context to cater to their desired conclusion. My go to example is the statistics of violent crime convictions by race. There are so many extraneous details to that statistic that you could never truly conclude anything based on that statistic alone. It fails to take into account the environmental conditions, social factors, economic factors, and biases in the justice system when you present that statistic at face value.
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Are you responding to the correct comment? I literally never said anything defensive… basically nothing you said applies to me or my comment, so it’s pretty clear you are engaging in some egregious projection there. Hopefully you figure your problems out.
I mean, where did I specify right-wingers in my comment? I intentionally left it open because of course people of different opinions are capable of bad faith argument. Once again, you are projecting, and it’s making you look silly.
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I can see that reading isn’t your thing. In a podcast, yes it’s a hacky gimmick that right wing dumbasses repeat because critical thinking isn’t about as abundant as teeth or girls that they share amongst themselves.
But when you are actually talking to someone, feelings do matter. Or you are just blurting out stuff for your own ego. Your facts don’t mean shit to the person listening unless you care about how they are receiving the information.
No one, and I mean this stronger than I do to anyone I have ever said anything to (including my son or mother), no one, is so important that their information is above this social norms.
There is no saving humanity conversation like in the movies. Or some dumb hero’s quest with your knowledge. You are just like the rest of us. Your facts are easily found. The relationships you have with people are not.
Feelings do matter in the real world. It’s a snake oil salesman pitch to sell a “real man’s” cosplay that people buy because they can’t look internally to actually fix themselves.
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I responded how you talked to me. I thought was how you choose to communicate. Funny how that works.
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“Muahaha, you activated my trap card! Wait, you want to know what my trap card was? It’s… uh… that I win because I said so! Neener neener!”
That’s you. That’s how you sound.
Holy fuck
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Oh look what you’ve done. You’ve driven me to point at Sartre’s antisemite quote:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
— Jean Paul Sartre
「points.」