• Junkers_Klunker@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    So because someone is an idiot, everyone gets to be idiots? I fully support leaving native land to native people, but we gotta start somewhere and that might aswell be Israel/Palestine.

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            you don’t get the nuance man. hes saying the guy is white. regardless of what reality is. so it hits on so many levels. maybe white. maybe just some native blood. oh man. next level shit.

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      So people who were born in Israel must be displaced and have their homes and lives taken too? That’s your solution?

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            Because it’s not actively happening in Gaza. Gaza has the 1967 borders and no settlements. Israel evicted every Jewish settler in the mid 2000s at an honest effort of peace. And Gaza was suppose to be the model for peace and a 2 state solution in the region.

            Instead of peace there’s been constant, increasing conflict coming from Gaza. And not just against Israel, but against Egypt and the West Bank too.

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                What part isn’t true?

                • There have been no new settlement in Gaza Since the Disengagement?
                • Gaza has the 1967 borders.
                • All settlers in the Gaza strip were evicted
                • The Gaza Disengagement Plan was an honest attempt at Peace by Israel’s left wing coalition?
                • Violence from Hamas and originating in Gaza has increased since it took over the territory.
                • Violence from Hamas has increased since it took over the territory, not just against Israel but against Egypt too.
                • Violence from Hamas has increased since it took over the territory, not just against Israel but against West Bank too.
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          Because it hasn’t happened to most of the residents of Gaza, the land Hamas administers. Gaza has had the 1967 borders since like 2004 and 1/2 the population of Gaza is below 18. So most Gazan have never had land taken from them.

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              Gaza has the 1967 borders. And in 2004-2005 had all of its Jewish settlements forcibly evicted by Israel.

              So most of the population of Gaza (under 18) cannot have had their land stolen from them, as Israel hasn’t stolen any land since then.

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      Why?

      Why not start by giving all of western Massachusetts back to the Wampanoag, Upstate NY to the Iroquois tribes, and the rest of the US to whichever other native tribe was originally lived there?

      Or start by giving Australia back to the aboriginals?

      Should apartheid have ended by deporting all the white South Africans back to Europe? Or was it a good thing that it ended by, you know, giving black South Africans rights?

      Personally, I’m all for a one state solution, so long as it’s one secular, democratic state that protects everyone’s rights.