“Officials said that Israel and Egypt were prepared to let foreigners leave the Strip which is under heavy Israeli bombardment, but Hamas had refused.”

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    You’ve lost the support of the international community and even the US is distancing itself from the approach you are taking. This is a fools errand to try to extract a part of a society by direct force (see Vietnam, Afghanistan <-two different super powers made that mistake). What this will be is an excuse to murder as judge, jury and executioner as you move to further subjugate a civilian population behind closed doors. Literal closed walls in Gaza’s case. These kids have grown up knowing nothing but what the adults tell them and looking at the walls that keep them in.

    “You name it, I’m sure Israel would be on board with that” How about just releasing the Prisoners for the hostages and going home?

    “We spoke bluntly and made it clear to the prime minister in no uncertain terms that a comprehensive deal based on the ‘everyone for everyone’ principle is a deal the families would consider, and has the support of all of Israel,” Meirav Leshem Gonen, mother of Romi Gonen, who was kidnapped from the Supernova dance festival, said on behalf of the families in a news conference following the meeting.

    Netanyahu was asked about such a deal at his Saturday news conference, and acknowledged he discussed the option with the families.
    “I think that elaborating on this will not help achieve our goal. In the meeting with the families, I felt emotionally helpless,” he said.

    So maybe not everything. Please don’t judge Dan for not responding, He blocked me an hour ago as he didn’t like my response to the justification of the 3,000 children that have been bombed to death in Gaza.

    edit: deleted two words I accidentally repeated

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      He probably blocked you because you argue in bad faith and lie about your historical examples - like pretending Vietnam wasn’t a war of two established, professional militaries just as Korea was.

      “You name it, I’m sure Israel would be on board with that” How about just releasing the Prisoners for the hostages and going home?

      This, for instance, is an insane proposition and you throw it out like it’s the obvious good choice.

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          If you don’t understand, from the events currently at play, that Israel is most definitely not going to exchange their prisoners for hostages, then I question if you’ve been paying attention.

          Sorry the Cornell thing hurt your feelings so much, but it’s weird for you to follow me around

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          I mean, some of those 1,000 prisoners were active in that recent oct.7 massacre, so I guess that Israel learned from its mistakes. As much as it pains them, they can’t effort giving Hamas forces, as they’ll regret it tenfold later.

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            If Israel was truly worried about regretting it later they wouldn’t be growing a whole new generation of people that have every reason to hate them. Their actions over the decades speak FAR louder than the words they use to seem like they are trying, as does the body count of innocents.

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              For more than the last decade Israel spent 0 efforts on raising the Gaza population and completely left them to run their own educational/inner governmental funding. That proved to be the worst mistake they could ever do, as that educational program is pure hate fuel for religious extremists and the government funding (which btw is a lot of funding from foreigners) was used for rockets and anti-tank ammunition instead of safe houses for civilians. Heck, the only safe zones are the underground tunnels, which are only used for Hamas fighters.

              All that means is that Israel should’ve either completely hammer down on stuff going in, and truly be like china murdering muslims, or completely run the region themselves, which is basically colonialism. Which option is good? None. Who can be blamed for that? The Palestinians leaders.

              Don’t get me wrong, Israel’s leaders also chose a very bad option of leaving it alone and letting it grow into a monster, but let’s face it - they had no good options on what to do with Gaza. So blaming everything that’s happening purely on Israel, is just unfair. What could they have done to prevent this?

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                I could not declare genocide.

                Do I really need to go find every quote from Bibi and Israeli Officials declaring their intent?

                Not do decades of persecution PRIOR to Hamas even existing.

                Not have Israel fund Hamas for years.

                Not drop bombs on refugee camps.

                Not cut off food, water, electricity.

                Not shoot peaceful protesters.

                Not kill journalists.

                Not kill clearly marked medics.

                Do I really need to go on?

                “What could they have done to prevent this?”

                Fuck
                off.

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                  Not doing any of this stuff would’ve meant a Palestinian state in Gaza led by Hamas.

                  Such a state would’ve killed many more jews.

                  Is it really that hard to see such obvious facts? What action has Palestinian ever done to warrant faith from the Israeli side that they wouldn’t get massacres if Palestinians had a state.

                  It’s as simple as that. Make Israelis not feel threatened, make a state. Do make Israelis feel threatened, get oppression.

                  And no other country in the world would do differently when feeling threatened. Some would do actual genocide and have 2 million dead.

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        You know who doesn’t think it’s insane? The families of the the hostages who I quote directly underneath that who say that it has the support of all of Israel. Are you calling them liars? Are you disparaging them and saying they’re insane? This is the opposite of diplomacy, as you say.

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          Yeah I think someone whose family member is fucking kidnapped is not thinking rationally. Of course they will support literally anything to get their kidnapped relative back

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              Again acknowledging reality is not endorsing any specific view.

              When someone you love is a victim of a tragedy you will understand that you are not, in fact, the rational robot you think you are.

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                  Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received sharp criticism after he accused security chiefs in a now-deleted social media post of failing to warn him about the impending Hamas attack prior to October 7.

                  First sentence of your article suggests that he regrets such a post. So… Yeah.

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                    And… you fumbled the context and who it is speaking in the quote. Care a little more. Its good for diplomacy.

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      I mean, exchanging prisoners means freeing those who massacred on oct.7, and come on, Israel is not that stupid to let them run free again. That exchange will bite them tenfold in years to come if they do it (and they realized it now, hence they don’t agree to it)