Shani Louk, who was kidnapped from the Nova music festival during Hamas' October 7 terrorist attacks, has been confirmed dead, according to Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
We have all seen the video of her broken body being paraded through Gaza and the people spitting on her. Hamas did that and they brought death and destruction to Gaza.
so the past 50 years of the gaza strip being bombed by israel have not brought death and desctruction to gaza? that’s ignoring the constant blockades and other restrictions israel put on gaza as well.
lets not forget the blockade by egypt too, even jordan at one point wanted to kick out and backtrack citizenship for all descendants of palestinian refugees
I mean, the main start of the conflict was over 70 years ago. I’m not sure if Israel really comes out looking that much better.
They unilaterally declared themselves a state and ended up expelling over 700k people from their homes. They even utilized biological warfare, poisoning wells with typhus.
While there have been crimes against humanity committed by both sides, the reason people focus on Israel is that they are in the sole position of power. Palestine has no way to barter or negotiate, and when all other forms of discourse are eliminated, then the only option is violence.
Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.
Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.
Palestine rejected it and launched a war against Israel with the help of Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iran in an attempt to eliminate the Jews in Israel.
Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.
Israel did not exist under British rule… are you talking about the blockade of Jerusalem in 47? I don’t think you know what you are talking about, there were only 500k Jews in all of Palestine when the British were in charge. And a lot more Palestinians were displaced during that conflict than Jews.
Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.
Yeah… That’s why people were upset. The Jewish population made up 1/3 of the population, and owned only 7% of the land during the mandate, but we’re given 56% of the country, which just happened to be the most valuable land.
Of course people are going to be pissed, a minority group was just awarded the majority of the country for free.
Clearly not, as he said this was an operation when the British controlled Palestine. Magic carpet happened in 49’, two years after the initial outbreak of violence.
We were discussing the initial cause of the violence, not one of its results.
Truth be told, I am not old enough to have cared about issues like this pre 2010. So what exactly do you think justifies israels behavior here? What happened before 2010 that shows that Palestine is the aggressor?
Well, fair enough, in this comment chain nobody justified Israels behavior.
I know Hamas has been hiding behind civilians and children, and Hamas are absolutely disgusting. Definitely. But I think it’s necessary to acknowledge that bombing civilians to get rid of terrorists is counterproductive. IDF is almost certainly creating more terrorists than they are killing by doing that. I’m sure some of the civilians already want to destroy Israel, but I think most of them get indoctrinated when joining Hamas after seeing how friends and family keep getting killed by IDF.
That’s wrong though. Palestinians and Israelis both stem from ancestors from the area. You could even say that at least in Jerusalem the Palestinians came later.
It is sadly the reality of the situation. Only someone fucked up can see that and the other videos from that day (example the slaughtered elderly at the bus stop etc) and think “Oh Hamas are the good guys.”
I think the number of people who think hamas are the good guys is infinitessimal compared to the number of people who think Israel shouldn’t be genocidal.
I think anyone everywhere would agree that Israel’s response should be appropriate to the threat, which excludes genocide.
Sadly, I think most people in the western world just swallow the narrative which is that Israel are allies, therefore the good guys, therefore they can’t be genocidal.
The western world is hardly a population majority. Do you think your statement about who is considered “good” and “bad” expands outside of the western world?
I mean after what happened it’s going to turn a lot of people dark. No different than in the states after 9/11. I legit know people that signed up just to “kill some sand you know what’s to get pay back”. That’s fucked up yes. And wrong. But hardly unexpected just like I expect citizens of Gaza to enmase celebrate the death of Jews now.
We have all seen the video of her broken body being paraded through Gaza and the people spitting on her. Hamas did that and they brought death and destruction to Gaza.
Hamas AND Israel both brought death and destruction to Gaza. Palestinian children are not bombing themselves now.
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so the past 50 years of the gaza strip being bombed by israel have not brought death and desctruction to gaza? that’s ignoring the constant blockades and other restrictions israel put on gaza as well.
lets not forget the blockade by egypt too, even jordan at one point wanted to kick out and backtrack citizenship for all descendants of palestinian refugees
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I mean, the main start of the conflict was over 70 years ago. I’m not sure if Israel really comes out looking that much better.
They unilaterally declared themselves a state and ended up expelling over 700k people from their homes. They even utilized biological warfare, poisoning wells with typhus.
While there have been crimes against humanity committed by both sides, the reason people focus on Israel is that they are in the sole position of power. Palestine has no way to barter or negotiate, and when all other forms of discourse are eliminated, then the only option is violence.
Arab nations forced hundreds of thousands of Jews out of their homes and into Israel when the Brits controlled it.
Israel accepted the UN proposal for a two state solution, giving Gaza and the West Bank to Palestine.
Palestine rejected it and launched a war against Israel with the help of Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and Iran in an attempt to eliminate the Jews in Israel.
Israel did not exist under British rule… are you talking about the blockade of Jerusalem in 47? I don’t think you know what you are talking about, there were only 500k Jews in all of Palestine when the British were in charge. And a lot more Palestinians were displaced during that conflict than Jews.
Yeah… That’s why people were upset. The Jewish population made up 1/3 of the population, and owned only 7% of the land during the mandate, but we’re given 56% of the country, which just happened to be the most valuable land.
Of course people are going to be pissed, a minority group was just awarded the majority of the country for free.
They’re referring to Operation Magic Carpet and the many other transfers of Jews to Israel.
The other user clearly is clearly knowledgable on the matter.
Clearly not, as he said this was an operation when the British controlled Palestine. Magic carpet happened in 49’, two years after the initial outbreak of violence.
We were discussing the initial cause of the violence, not one of its results.
Truth be told, I am not old enough to have cared about issues like this pre 2010. So what exactly do you think justifies israels behavior here? What happened before 2010 that shows that Palestine is the aggressor?
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Well, fair enough, in this comment chain nobody justified Israels behavior.
I know Hamas has been hiding behind civilians and children, and Hamas are absolutely disgusting. Definitely. But I think it’s necessary to acknowledge that bombing civilians to get rid of terrorists is counterproductive. IDF is almost certainly creating more terrorists than they are killing by doing that. I’m sure some of the civilians already want to destroy Israel, but I think most of them get indoctrinated when joining Hamas after seeing how friends and family keep getting killed by IDF.
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“It is kind of more complicated than that” when it is really not!
let me just start with this postulate:
Should I add than one is heavily militarized and has control over infrastructures?
That’s wrong though. Palestinians and Israelis both stem from ancestors from the area. You could even say that at least in Jerusalem the Palestinians came later.
bullshit! you want to go back to what? neolithic ?
I have not seen that thankfully
I don’t understand why someone would want to see that.
It is sadly the reality of the situation. Only someone fucked up can see that and the other videos from that day (example the slaughtered elderly at the bus stop etc) and think “Oh Hamas are the good guys.”
I think the number of people who think hamas are the good guys is infinitessimal compared to the number of people who think Israel shouldn’t be genocidal.
Do you think that’s the case globally or mostly in the western world?
I think anyone everywhere would agree that Israel’s response should be appropriate to the threat, which excludes genocide.
Sadly, I think most people in the western world just swallow the narrative which is that Israel are allies, therefore the good guys, therefore they can’t be genocidal.
The western world is hardly a population majority. Do you think your statement about who is considered “good” and “bad” expands outside of the western world?
I’m so weary of this type of comment. Trying to draw me in to some snarky debate that will achieve nothing.
Can we just skip to the end where I’m a poorly informed idiot and you regale us all with your enlightened understanding of these complex issues?
It’s global in countries where people use forks.
what the fuck did I just read! Israel military should indeed kill children, shouldn’t they? fucking bastard you are.
Heavily armed, full of advantages, but are there, behind their joysticks killing toddlers! What an army of piece of shit!
You might have misunderstood my comment.
It’s reality. You want to understand the hatred felt by everything in that region? You have to watch it uncensored.
I disagree. I don’t think that watching a few videos could help someone “understand” the hatred as much as reading and listening.
Your imagination can’t match the nastiness of reality
I very much doubt that.
Have you seen videos of Israelis cheering every time they hear bombs exploding in Gaza?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzAkNnCOCYB/?igshid=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==
I mean after what happened it’s going to turn a lot of people dark. No different than in the states after 9/11. I legit know people that signed up just to “kill some sand you know what’s to get pay back”. That’s fucked up yes. And wrong. But hardly unexpected just like I expect citizens of Gaza to enmase celebrate the death of Jews now.
well I guess that makes killing this citizen ok then
That’s a terrible thing to say.
So is responding to a human atrocity with “yeah but what about these other people celebrating an atrocity”
thats the whole conflict tho :(
How is simply stating facts, “a terrible thing to say”?