When reddit goes dark on Monday, there will be a horde of people looking for an alternative. When the APIs go dark at the end of the month, another horde will come. When /u/spez says just about anything, it’ll happen again. What can we do to prep here for that? How can we attract good moderators to moderate communities here?

Just listing things I noticed from the twitter/mastodon migration:

  • Mastodon had a few thousand signups per hour during the peak times.
  • Having a single instance (or even a small number) really simplifies the signup process. How can we scale lemmy.ml and other big instances now to prep for Monday?
  • I’m seeing communities already pop up (/c/earthporn, /c/photography and my favorite /c/jeep). If we can keep content flowing through some of the big communities, it’ll help people come back on Tuesday. (On a Sunday night at 7pm MDT, the backend on lemmy.ml is getting crushed and posting is haphazardly working for me…)
  • A good intro doc would help folks get up to speed faster (this is how lemmy/fediverse works, he’s a list of mobile apps you can use, here’s how to sign up on patreon… etc).

Scaling lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, and lemmy.one (those are the ones mentioned in the pinned post for “joining”) is probably the biggest priority. If owners of these instances need money to pay for server fees, expertise with server migrations, deployments, scaling, dev work, etc, they really need to communicate.

The proverbial “call to arms” would be appropriate.

We’ve got lots of super nerdy folks here that can donate time/money. Personally, I’m not sure how I can help right now. (Currently subbed on Patreon, but that’s it).

  • tebicat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    28·
    1 year ago

    i don’t think we need bigger instances, i think we need more instances, and a better, streamlined process for finding instances

    • Mjb@lemmy.mlEnglish
      18·
      1 year ago

      Lemmy’s current approach to finding off-instance communities is a UX nightmare.

      To the average, non-techy user pasting !<community>@<instance_url> to get No results despite knowing that community exists is… Offputting. Lemmy should not be showing No results while waiting to federate content, and it should be health-checking a search term before returning anything. A single request to <instance_url>/c/<community> would reveal it exists, and prevent this terrible No results response entirely.

      • phil_m@lemmy.mlEnglish
        4·
        1 year ago

        Yeah totally, the federated features and especially the search could be streamlined quite a bit. I think this should be a top priority currently (to avoid centralization of the instances).

    • ram@lemmy.caEnglish
      14·
      1 year ago

      This is the main problem the fediverse experiences across the board. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad thing to require a basic level of comprehension to sign up though. Inconvenient, sure, but if this is just the nature of the thing, it’s still better than being owned by venture capital.

    • Dessalines@lemmy.mlEnglish
      8·
      1 year ago

      Both us lemmy devs agree with you, we want a distributed network, not a single centralized service, that could potentially suffer all the same problems as reddit.

      Plus its just more work for all us server admins.

      • BikerJared@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I agree - decentralized is the future. Fwiw, I’m really enjoying lemmy and want it to succeed. I’m just hoping to help somehow. I’d love for centralized social networks to become decentralized so that the perverse incentives that exist currently can evaporate.

        I’m nervous posting this because I don’t want to come off as telling you “what to do”. This is coming more from a desire to support the awesome work you’re doing to help lemmy grow on the fediverse. If this is too “forward” - I’m happy to back down and continue posting everything I’ve got to /c/earthporn, /c/photography, and /c/jeep. ;)

        It seems in the short term, we’re just trying to capture and retain users so that communities can grow and become new homes for reddit refugees.

        • If the signup process is difficult or confusing, the “capture” part of that goal will be diminished.
        • Small instances have kind of a “ghost town” feel. I understand why this is, but new users don’t and this affects the “retention” part.

        Some ideas:

        • A getting started guide – for example, creating an account on a new/small instance is different than a large instance because of how federation works. The information in the fediverse is largely available, but knowing how to find it is nuanced. Having a guide or video or something could help with this and support the “retention” goal.
        • Having a few preferred instances to handle the surge of new users. This will take efforts from server admins (like yourself) to communicate to the community the needs they have so that we can provide support. This addresses both “capture” and “retain” goals really well in the short term. Some sort of strategy would be needed long term to “decentralize”.
        • I’m donating on patreon to lemmy.ml (just $10/month for now), but I wonder if other users realize that money is needed to handle the new load (for lemmy.ml, beehaw, etc). It seems reasonable to support the people that are crucial to making instances like this work without requiring them to take on enormous financial risk. (I’m saying this without understanding anything about your hosting solution or backend infrastructure, but assume that to scale, you need to pay Amazon/Microsoft/Google mo money).
        • If you need help building out infrastructure, there are those of us here that would be willing to take some time to help as well - we just need a way to know what you need.
        • Some kind of “invite” feature - it would let me send “invite” codes to my friends. This eliminates the “what instance should I use” question and potentially the “manual approval” process. This could potentially be used to create nefarious bot accounts, and may just need to exist initially (but not long term).
    • pineapple@lemmy.pineapplemachine.comEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      i don’t think we need bigger instances, i think we need more instances, and a better, streamlined process for finding instances

      For one thing, it might be nice if individual instances could assign tags or categories, and if pages like join-lemmy.org/instances could allow users to browse the list of instances with a given tag. Then prospective users could choose a tag that best represents their interests, and have an easy list of instances related to that tag.