The point is to aim for equality not aim for superiority (some getting extra help others getting none) because of the past because you will overshoot and it’ll just be a pendulum going back and forth and each time somebody is worse off than the other because of their race. Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
I agree that systems of aid should be income-based and not race-based, but the idea that we will somehow overshoot and end up in a society controlled by nonwhite people is pretty reactionary.
Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
You’ve completely lost the plot. The purpose of race-based aid is to offset systemic inequality that still exists to this day.
Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
Let’s assume that’s how it works, what’s the time frame? “Eventually” is the operative word here, how many lives are we good with systematically fucking just so we can pretend this is a non-issue that will sort itself out?
Lol I responded with actual evidence of progress in a reply to a different one of your comments that you completely ignored. There is no “pendulum model” here, but clearly you just want to keep your beliefs based on anecdotal nonsense.
I agree that a lot of financially well off (mostly) white people need to start being held to the same standard as our most vulnerable groups. Throw them in prison for life for minor drug offenses too! Opiod abuse? Straight to jail. /s.
Sarcasm aside, I agree it would be nice to be able to hold everyone to the same standards, but I’m not interested in ignoring how the history of our country has shaped our now. This country was designed with racism as a key feature, and that history does still impact people today.
I think what’s bringing us backwards is the sense of entitlement that some people have. They can’t stand to see someone else get help or raised up in status, especially if they’re not satisfied with their own place. They see equality as a lowering of their own station, not helping someone else.
What’s your proof of regression here? Because the poverty rate gap has lowered in the last couple decades, same with the high school and post secondary education gap and life expectancy gap. Not much change in the average income gap since the 90s, but that could take decades to see after a narrowing of educational gaps.
I’ve only found pre-pandemic data, but this is definitely compelling over the time scale we’re discussing.
Changing culture is slow, but it has gone backwards by holding different races by different standards now instead of everyone the same.
Yeah racism ended with slavery and there have been zero lasting repercussions that need addressed.
The point is to aim for equality not aim for superiority (some getting extra help others getting none) because of the past because you will overshoot and it’ll just be a pendulum going back and forth and each time somebody is worse off than the other because of their race. Treat everybody the same and we will eventually all be the same.
I agree that systems of aid should be income-based and not race-based, but the idea that we will somehow overshoot and end up in a society controlled by nonwhite people is pretty reactionary.
You’ve completely lost the plot. The purpose of race-based aid is to offset systemic inequality that still exists to this day.
Let’s assume that’s how it works, what’s the time frame? “Eventually” is the operative word here, how many lives are we good with systematically fucking just so we can pretend this is a non-issue that will sort itself out?
Don’t know, but it’s certainly not all of them forever which is a what will happen if it keeps the pendulum model.
Lol I responded with actual evidence of progress in a reply to a different one of your comments that you completely ignored. There is no “pendulum model” here, but clearly you just want to keep your beliefs based on anecdotal nonsense.
Well as a white man I personally haven’t noticed any!
I agree that a lot of financially well off (mostly) white people need to start being held to the same standard as our most vulnerable groups. Throw them in prison for life for minor drug offenses too! Opiod abuse? Straight to jail. /s.
Sarcasm aside, I agree it would be nice to be able to hold everyone to the same standards, but I’m not interested in ignoring how the history of our country has shaped our now. This country was designed with racism as a key feature, and that history does still impact people today.
I think what’s bringing us backwards is the sense of entitlement that some people have. They can’t stand to see someone else get help or raised up in status, especially if they’re not satisfied with their own place. They see equality as a lowering of their own station, not helping someone else.
What’s your proof of regression here? Because the poverty rate gap has lowered in the last couple decades, same with the high school and post secondary education gap and life expectancy gap. Not much change in the average income gap since the 90s, but that could take decades to see after a narrowing of educational gaps.
I’ve only found pre-pandemic data, but this is definitely compelling over the time scale we’re discussing.
https://www.pewresearch.org/interactives/racial-and-ethnic-gaps-in-the-u-s-persist-on-key-demographic-indicators/