It’s basically the same as how Drag Queens aren’t trans. They aren’t fully conforming to the idea of being a ‘woman’, just the fashion and expression of it. Many prominent drag figures use she/her pronouns while in drag but immediately switch back to he/him when out of drag.
That makes sense to me, one is who they are and the other is just being playful with how they present themselves, at least that’s how I perceive drag queens. I think that’s what you’re saying anyway. I get the sense though, he was so seriously taking the “cross-drossing” because it was more of a reflection of who he is. But I’m just guessing and we’ll probably never know.
I’ve known a lot of people who really get into cross dressing but would never consider themselves trans.
I never really got into a serious conversation about it, but I always took it like when you get into a video game. It’s just a lot of fun pretend to be them for awhile while knowing that in reality it’s fiction.
'Course, then there are the folks for whom crossdressing is entirely different from being trans until suddenly it’s not. (I’m thinking of crossdressing comedian Eddie Izzard – who is now Suzy Izzard – as I write this.)
The main thing is that all possibilities are possible, and it’s really more about letting folks do their thing instead of trying to categorize.
Crossdressing and/or drag is you like to be outwardly a woman/other gender. Trans is you ARE a woman. Full stop. Your meat suit just happens to not agree with it, thus the term gender dysphoria.
Note: I do not speak for a trans people. Nothing is black and white. This is just how I understand it best and figured it got the point across.
You where born in the wrong body but the technology isn’t there yet to change that fact. That’s why it’s still called Transgender. if you could just switch Cis bodies I’m not sure anyone wouldn’t try it out.
I’m with famous cross dresser Barry Humphries in considering gender affirming surgery self mutilation, but at the end of the day it’s none of my or anyone else’s fucking business what someone does with their own meat suit.
FYI, I am looking to learn and not state anything as fact here. I am just going to explain my current understanding and if it is incorrect, please correct me.
I think gender dysphoria just describes any feelings of distress and anxiety caused by suppressing the feelings of actual gender identity. The disconnect between mind and body may not always be traumatic.
So, if a trans woman has fully embraced being a woman in all aspects of life with no second thoughts, gender dysphoria may not be an issue.
However, if a trans woman feels socially pressured to maintain the lifestyle of a man, that could be a source of stress, anxiety and initial confusion.
There are probably millions of nuanced scenerios that do, or, do not result in gender dysphoria. However, it has been my experience that most people who are anti-trans use gender dysphoria as a generalized blanket term. (Obviously, that doesn’t mean that anyone who used the term is anti-trans, but just covering that base regardless.)
Crossdressing and drag are related to gender expression. Cis and trans are terms relating to a person’s gender identity and may or may not align with gender expression.
By no means am I an expert, especially on the intricacies of being trans and I don’t want to cis-splain their experiences, but I do know that cross dressing has an overlap of necessity with them, but it’s a ven-diagram/intersection rather than a circle.
People who are trans typically explain it as having always felt like they’ve always been in the wrong gendered-body. Wearing clothes that correspond to the gender they feel they are
(also, keep in mind MRI’s have shown brain activity that more closely matches the gender they feel they are than the gender they were born with, as well) is way for them to try and reconcile the way they feel with the way they were born. It’s usually an early stage in socially transitioning, whether they later choose to chemically/medically transition or not (and keep in mind, this is not always the end goal for people … simply being acknowledged as the way they see themselves is enough for some people and they shouldn’t be afraid to be in public because of that!).
People who cross dress on the other hand may be doing it because they’re trans and feeling out the early stages OR … just because. It could be the way a textile feels, it could be sexual, it could be non-sexual, it could be because they just like it, it could be because … you see where I’m going with this? There are as many reasons that people cross dress as there t-shirt designs (I may be exaggerating a bit with that one, but you get my meaning, I think).
I know NOFX is problematic, but I feel like “I’m a Transvest‐Lite” explains it decently (for one particular person anyways!):
I’m not transgender, I’m a lazy crossdresser
Who thinks makeup is too much of an ordeal
I paint my toes and wear shiny tight clothes
Not for the look, but how it makes me feel
I don’t need things just right, I’m a tranvest-lite
I only shave to do the Time Warp midnight Saturday
I’m done with self-pity, I don’t have to feel shitty
'Cause I wanna look pretty, so I give it the old city College try
Don’t get me wrong, I still wanna be a guy
Who sometimes likes to dress like a girl
(He sometimes likes to wear diamonds and pearls)
Don’t think I don’t know I’m not fooling anyone
(He’s a cross between Adele and Charlie Chaplin)
You gotta know it’s not just girls who just wanna have fun!
Also, the beginning of the song is about the shame felt early on about it and is generally about getting the courage to not give a flying fuck about what people think.
Hopefully I did a decent enough explanation without trampling on anyones lived experiences. The simple truth is that both groups of people have completely individualized experiences and it’s a different journey for every single person.
I feel pity for this person, they deserved better.
That said. You cannot be supportive of LGBT people, and vote for the Republican party. Republicans are quite openly hostile to LGBT people, both in rhetoric and in policy. You can’t say you are supportive of a group while voting to strip them of their legal recognitions and protections.
I agree with your comment, and I don’t think you’re saying otherwise. But definitely important to note that a lot of LGBT+ folks start off on the wrong side because of how they were raised, religion, etc. and the internal trans/homophobia that causes.
That said, there are also though a sizeable number of LGBT+ “one of the good ones” who think their support of republicans will keep them from being targeted by the laws they want to introduce (it won’t. This case itself is proof of that.)
I think that’s the important lesson to learn here for anyone voting republican and being a part of the LGBT community. The people you are voting for will not let you be just because you’re voting for them.
So telling someone what dose of estrogen to take makes up for voting to oppress people? Throwing someone a rope while kicking their head is not support.
I take small umbrage with the idea that you cannot support LGBTQ people and vote in a way that doesn’t support your personal beliefs.
We are all of us paradoxical and hypocritical. Maybe they weren’t pro-republican they were anti-democrat. I don’t fucking know.
That aside, I get what you’re saying, but your political stance is not the end all and be all of who you are, and as the Republican party has proved beyond any shadow of any doubt being hypocritical is the name of their game.
This one person could have been very pro-trans and yet still support the Republican agenda in every other way.
Plus, we don’t know if they were pro-trans or LGBTQ, all that we know is that they were not publically anti-trans.
I take small umbrage with the idea that you cannot support LGBTQ people and vote in a way that doesn’t support your personal beliefs.
I don’t care.
You cannot vote to make someone’s life measurably worse, and claim to support them.
That’s not my “personal beliefs”, this is people’s lives and wellbeing.
We are all of us paradoxical and hypocritical.
That is fair. And that is why I pity this person. And why I’m not talking about Leopards Eating People’s Faces. This person was clearly troubled.
That doesn’t change what I’m saying though. I’m not trying to morally judge this individual with what I’m saying. All I am saying is that the net effect of the actions of someone who votes Republican, is not supportive of LGBT people, regardless of their personal beliefs.
Maybe they weren’t pro-republican they were anti-democrat. I don’t fucking know.
That’s worse. You understand how that’s worse, right?
This one person could have been very pro-trans and yet still support the Republican agenda in every other way.
Human rights are pretty much a deal-breaker. Or at least they should be.
Plus, we don’t know if they were pro-trans or LGBTQ, all that we know is that they were not publically anti-trans.
You have misinterpreted my comment. I’m not trying to judge this person.
I’m making a general statement that it is not possible to support a demographic while simultaneously voting to take away their legal recognitions and protections.
For some people, there are only ever two sides, one all good, one all bad and there can not be people in-between or on each side that aren’t 100% a walking trope integrated with all traits of the “side”. It’s quite sad really.
We seriously need to do away with our two party system. Everything wrong with the country and the division is due to that. Ranked choice voting needs to be a priority.
He’s conservative and even had a meeting with Trump. That’s the worst of it I think, he was ok with persecuting trans people till he was outed.
To be fair, being trans is not the same as being a crossdresser.
Seriously? I sincerely didn’t know that. Do you mind explaining the difference?
It’s basically the same as how Drag Queens aren’t trans. They aren’t fully conforming to the idea of being a ‘woman’, just the fashion and expression of it. Many prominent drag figures use she/her pronouns while in drag but immediately switch back to he/him when out of drag.
That makes sense to me, one is who they are and the other is just being playful with how they present themselves, at least that’s how I perceive drag queens. I think that’s what you’re saying anyway. I get the sense though, he was so seriously taking the “cross-drossing” because it was more of a reflection of who he is. But I’m just guessing and we’ll probably never know.
I’ve known a lot of people who really get into cross dressing but would never consider themselves trans.
I never really got into a serious conversation about it, but I always took it like when you get into a video game. It’s just a lot of fun pretend to be them for awhile while knowing that in reality it’s fiction.
'Course, then there are the folks for whom crossdressing is entirely different from being trans until suddenly it’s not. (I’m thinking of crossdressing comedian Eddie Izzard – who is now Suzy Izzard – as I write this.)
The main thing is that all possibilities are possible, and it’s really more about letting folks do their thing instead of trying to categorize.
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Here are the Google definitions
Transgender - denoting or relating to a person whose gender identity does not correspond with the sex registered for them at birth.
Transvestite - a person who dresses in clothes primarily associated with the other sex (typically used of a man).
But they both have trans in the name, that’s why it’s confusing.
So do transfats. Don’t tell me you get that confused too
Don’t even get me started on transmissions.
Transformers: More than meets the eye.
Transformers: touch them and you die 🎵
Considering the fact that the derogatory word for both of them is ironically the same lol
Crossdressing and/or drag is you like to be outwardly a woman/other gender. Trans is you ARE a woman. Full stop. Your meat suit just happens to not agree with it, thus the term gender dysphoria.
Note: I do not speak for a trans people. Nothing is black and white. This is just how I understand it best and figured it got the point across.
You think you are.
You where born in the wrong body but the technology isn’t there yet to change that fact. That’s why it’s still called Transgender. if you could just switch Cis bodies I’m not sure anyone wouldn’t try it out.
I’m with famous cross dresser Barry Humphries in considering gender affirming surgery self mutilation, but at the end of the day it’s none of my or anyone else’s fucking business what someone does with their own meat suit.
FYI, I am looking to learn and not state anything as fact here. I am just going to explain my current understanding and if it is incorrect, please correct me.
I think gender dysphoria just describes any feelings of distress and anxiety caused by suppressing the feelings of actual gender identity. The disconnect between mind and body may not always be traumatic.
So, if a trans woman has fully embraced being a woman in all aspects of life with no second thoughts, gender dysphoria may not be an issue.
However, if a trans woman feels socially pressured to maintain the lifestyle of a man, that could be a source of stress, anxiety and initial confusion.
There are probably millions of nuanced scenerios that do, or, do not result in gender dysphoria. However, it has been my experience that most people who are anti-trans use gender dysphoria as a generalized blanket term. (Obviously, that doesn’t mean that anyone who used the term is anti-trans, but just covering that base regardless.)
Maybe this will help?
Crossdressing and drag are related to gender expression. Cis and trans are terms relating to a person’s gender identity and may or may not align with gender expression.
That illustration is sweet
By no means am I an expert, especially on the intricacies of being trans and I don’t want to cis-splain their experiences, but I do know that cross dressing has an overlap of necessity with them, but it’s a ven-diagram/intersection rather than a circle.
People who are trans typically explain it as having always felt like they’ve always been in the wrong gendered-body. Wearing clothes that correspond to the gender they feel they are
(also, keep in mind MRI’s have shown brain activity that more closely matches the gender they feel they are than the gender they were born with, as well) is way for them to try and reconcile the way they feel with the way they were born. It’s usually an early stage in socially transitioning, whether they later choose to chemically/medically transition or not (and keep in mind, this is not always the end goal for people … simply being acknowledged as the way they see themselves is enough for some people and they shouldn’t be afraid to be in public because of that!).
People who cross dress on the other hand may be doing it because they’re trans and feeling out the early stages OR … just because. It could be the way a textile feels, it could be sexual, it could be non-sexual, it could be because they just like it, it could be because … you see where I’m going with this? There are as many reasons that people cross dress as there t-shirt designs (I may be exaggerating a bit with that one, but you get my meaning, I think).
I know NOFX is problematic, but I feel like “I’m a Transvest‐Lite” explains it decently (for one particular person anyways!):
Also, the beginning of the song is about the shame felt early on about it and is generally about getting the courage to not give a flying fuck about what people think.
Hopefully I did a decent enough explanation without trampling on anyones lived experiences. The simple truth is that both groups of people have completely individualized experiences and it’s a different journey for every single person.
Did you even read the article? It’s specifically says that he was supportive of trans people.
I feel pity for this person, they deserved better.
That said. You cannot be supportive of LGBT people, and vote for the Republican party. Republicans are quite openly hostile to LGBT people, both in rhetoric and in policy. You can’t say you are supportive of a group while voting to strip them of their legal recognitions and protections.
I agree with your comment, and I don’t think you’re saying otherwise. But definitely important to note that a lot of LGBT+ folks start off on the wrong side because of how they were raised, religion, etc. and the internal trans/homophobia that causes.
That said, there are also though a sizeable number of LGBT+ “one of the good ones” who think their support of republicans will keep them from being targeted by the laws they want to introduce (it won’t. This case itself is proof of that.)
I think that’s the important lesson to learn here for anyone voting republican and being a part of the LGBT community. The people you are voting for will not let you be just because you’re voting for them.
Did you read the article? He literally spoke with people online about how to transition and such. That is supporting them.
So telling someone what dose of estrogen to take makes up for voting to oppress people? Throwing someone a rope while kicking their head is not support.
You don’t know how he voted. Stop making stuff up.
He did his job as a Republican politician, so I pretty much do. Or do you suppose he voted Democrat or did not do his job?
I take small umbrage with the idea that you cannot support LGBTQ people and vote in a way that doesn’t support your personal beliefs.
We are all of us paradoxical and hypocritical. Maybe they weren’t pro-republican they were anti-democrat. I don’t fucking know.
That aside, I get what you’re saying, but your political stance is not the end all and be all of who you are, and as the Republican party has proved beyond any shadow of any doubt being hypocritical is the name of their game.
This one person could have been very pro-trans and yet still support the Republican agenda in every other way.
Plus, we don’t know if they were pro-trans or LGBTQ, all that we know is that they were not publically anti-trans.
I don’t care.
You cannot vote to make someone’s life measurably worse, and claim to support them.
That’s not my “personal beliefs”, this is people’s lives and wellbeing.
That is fair. And that is why I pity this person. And why I’m not talking about Leopards Eating People’s Faces. This person was clearly troubled.
That doesn’t change what I’m saying though. I’m not trying to morally judge this individual with what I’m saying. All I am saying is that the net effect of the actions of someone who votes Republican, is not supportive of LGBT people, regardless of their personal beliefs.
That’s worse. You understand how that’s worse, right?
Human rights are pretty much a deal-breaker. Or at least they should be.
You have misinterpreted my comment. I’m not trying to judge this person.
I’m making a general statement that it is not possible to support a demographic while simultaneously voting to take away their legal recognitions and protections.
For some people, there are only ever two sides, one all good, one all bad and there can not be people in-between or on each side that aren’t 100% a walking trope integrated with all traits of the “side”. It’s quite sad really.
We seriously need to do away with our two party system. Everything wrong with the country and the division is due to that. Ranked choice voting needs to be a priority.
That’s fair, it’s still sad though.
The trump meeting was because his town was badly hit in a natural disaster, not necessarily something that he would have sought kut