And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.
When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this ‘house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention’ a near future proposition?
When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?
Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!
And then electric drills! And laser levels!
Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?
We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.
But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.
what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn’t leave time for that. it’s going to be bad
You’re right that robots aren’t going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.
But why can’t we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I’m sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.
I don’t think it’ll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it’s a complete system.
How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.
So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that’s why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.
Still need someone to build it for the computer. What would really help the “AI” is to have something that can handle the creation of different interfaces and modules. Then, it would need to solve or mitigate the maintenance conundrum of repairing itself when it breaks.
Not so much of the physical building, but I bet the designing isn’t too big of a stretch. Think something like procedural generation to make 2/3 of a floor plan and have humans make sure it makes sense and add details.
Unfortunately, those building 3D printers are mostly just a publicity stunt currently. Too impractical to use at any sort of scale.
Now, if we were to combine AI with the old Sears kit homes, we might be onto something. Given a standardized list of stuff like room dimensions and the materials required for their construction, AI could probably generate an endless number of variations of both houses and additions for them with an exact list of required construction materials and equipment. Entire series of standardized houses with all the materials prepped ahead of time, ready to just be delivered to a plot of land and constructed on site by a local construction companies, with only minor adjustments required to account for the specific peculiarities of the area. The IKEA of house construction.
Just wait until someone connect chatgpt to one of those gigantic 3d printers that print buildings.
Are we really that far from having “AI” do this?
You can’t 3D print laying all the pipe and the electric cabling and adding fixtures and insulation and all sorts of other things homes need.
You can 3D print the basic structure. That’s it. You’re saving on bricklaying or carpentry.
And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.
When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this ‘house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention’ a near future proposition?
When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?
Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!
And then electric drills! And laser levels!
Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?
We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.
But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.
When they did it. Because they could process a huge amount more lumber. I’m not sure I understand.
what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn’t leave time for that. it’s going to be bad
Damn, you really are stuck in the past, aren’t ya
I’m stuck in the past because that’s not an economically viable thing to do within the foreseeable future?
Would I be stuck in the past because I said I don’t think people are going to be commuting by personal jetpack any time soon?
Yup
Sorry… you honestly think people will commute by personal jetpack one day?
Why can’t they?
Yeah, like how blacksmiths can’t find any work these days anymore. It’s heartbreaking.
There are artisan blacksmiths that probably make bank doing custom jobs like blades and ironwork gates and other such artistry.
We have robots that work in warehouses moving stuff precisely all the time. Placing pipes should be no problem.
Yes, moving things in a warehouse is exactly the same as laying plumbing and AC ductwork. There’s literally no difference in terms of complications.
You’re right that robots aren’t going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.
But why can’t we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I’m sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.
I don’t think it’ll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it’s a complete system.
Yes cause technology never gets better than it’s first iteration. There’s literally no progress ever. One and done
How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.
Do you want tonights winning lotto numbers also? How about which team will win the super bowl this year?
Nobody can tell exact time frames. But the future is happenening old man
So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that’s why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.
I believe most jobs will be fully automated
Yes, we should be worried about it now.
It will happen and it will be much better if we can figure out how to handle the masses of unemployed before it is a problem.
This attitude of kicking the can down the road is exactly how things turn catastrophic.
Well at one point i lead bunch of those “workers” on real project and oh boy, in some cases, i would much rather have robots do it.
You can. They’ve already built prototypes that fit on the back of a semi
Still need someone to build it for the computer. What would really help the “AI” is to have something that can handle the creation of different interfaces and modules. Then, it would need to solve or mitigate the maintenance conundrum of repairing itself when it breaks.
Not so much of the physical building, but I bet the designing isn’t too big of a stretch. Think something like procedural generation to make 2/3 of a floor plan and have humans make sure it makes sense and add details.
Shit tears itself down in 2 weeks
Unfortunately, those building 3D printers are mostly just a publicity stunt currently. Too impractical to use at any sort of scale.
Now, if we were to combine AI with the old Sears kit homes, we might be onto something. Given a standardized list of stuff like room dimensions and the materials required for their construction, AI could probably generate an endless number of variations of both houses and additions for them with an exact list of required construction materials and equipment. Entire series of standardized houses with all the materials prepped ahead of time, ready to just be delivered to a plot of land and constructed on site by a local construction companies, with only minor adjustments required to account for the specific peculiarities of the area. The IKEA of house construction.