Former President Barack Obama cautioned against ignoring the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war, warning that “all of us are complicit.”

“If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth. And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” he said in an excerpted interview with Pod Save America released Saturday.

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    Israel has been waging war on Palestinians since 1949 - long before Hames existed.

    Funny you should pick an arbitrary year that is just +1 from the time when all Israel’s arab neighbors (including Palestine) attacked them in an effort to annihilate them. And lost miserably. And then tried it again a few more times and lost miserably every time.

    Yep, there’s no complexity: if you start a war and lose it, you get fucked. If you then do the exact same thing 3 more times with an ever growing enemy, what the fuck is wrong with your brain?

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      Funny you should pick an arbitrary year

      Oh, people didn’t take kindly to a white supremacist settler-colonial state being foisted on them?

      You don’t say.

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            I mean I get why somebody might call them Zionists or even “Jew supremacists” or something like that, but why conflate them with a totally different group of fascists? Should we call Hamas white supremacists too?

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              “Jew supremacists”

              Where do you think Jewish Zionism got it’s ideas on racialized supremacy from? The antisemitic and white supremacist Christians that invented Zionism in the first place, maybe?

              but why conflate them with a totally different group of fascists?

              Because it’s just a different flavor of the exact same ideology, maybe?

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                Where do you think Jewish Zionism got it’s ideas on racialized supremacy from? The antisemitic and white supremacist Christians that invented Zionism in the first place, maybe?

                From the Tanakh, more than a thousand years before Europe had any civilization, and some time before Christianity existed?

                Because it’s just a different flavor of the exact same ideology, maybe?

                Ok, so then I can call palestinians, or at least Hamas, white supremacists as well? It’ll sound a bit weird.

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                  From the Tanakh

                  You wanna blame Jewish people for inventing white supremacism? Hold on while I fetch the popcorn for this one… your little right-wing logic pretzel is about to go full Chernobyl.

                  palestinians

                  Do you see Palestinians waging genocidal settler-colonialism in Kenya, perhaps? Or New Zealand, maybe?

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                    Yeah, have fun with the popcorn. You don’t need to interact with me on here again.