Former President Barack Obama cautioned against ignoring the complexities of the Israel-Hamas war, warning that “all of us are complicit.”

“If you want to solve the problem, then you have to take in the whole truth. And you then have to admit nobody’s hands are clean, that all of us are complicit to some degree,” he said in an excerpted interview with Pod Save America released Saturday.

  • masquenox@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 year ago

    I wouldn’t know. Because I’m not.

    Yes - you fucking are. The modern-day state of Israel is a creation of western colonialism - you know… the exact same western colonialism that resulted in the Nazis looking for their precious “lebensraum” in the (so-called) “Jewish-Bolshevist” east? You know… the exact same (so-called) “western civilization” that invented antisemitism? Israel is a kapo state, doing the bidding of and being enabled by the same white supremacist and antisemitic powers that made Jewish life so damn difficult and next-to impossible in the west in the first place.

    And here you are… running interference against the people that is pointing out this inconvenient truth out to you and everybody else.

    So, again… what does it feel like to play kapo for the very people that invented antisemitism?

    That’s actually a subset of Israel’s supporters.

    Yeah, you’re right - I left out quite a few. Canada, Australia, Apartheid-South Africa - man, the white supremacist rabbit-hole just gets deeper and deeper, doesn’t it?

    claim actual racism as reverse racism.

    Sooo… you still don’t understand squat about white supremacism. Nothing about that has changed.

    I’m sick of you calling me right wing.

    You can stop being a right-winger any time you damn well feel like it - it is a choice, you know.

    I’m not accusing everyone, I’m accusing you

    Clyde, you accusing people who are pointing out your investment in white supremacist propaganda doesn’t make you unique. It’s one of the go-to strategies of every white supremacist that learned their ideology watching Ben Shapiro videos.

    Bruh are you fucking kidding me?

    White supremacism didn’t exist back when the Roman empire was a thing because white supremacism hadn’t been invented yet. You know… the same reason the Romans didn’t have M16 rifles? The “scientific racism” which underpins the modern-day ideology of white supremacism is a purely European invention that arose during the colonialist era starting with the (so-called) “Reconquista” in Spain. I hope this is not too difficult for you to understand.

    • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      That’s a lot of text just to show you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Okay, I’m sorry that you can’t understand that white supremacy is still white supremacy even if the phrase didn’t exist.

      The concept still did … Like, what do you call someone that enslaves other races for being lesser than them, takes over their land, changes shit because fuck them etc etc?

      White supremacists, or ancient Romans.

      They laid the ground work for all of it, and that’s why you’re so vehemently defending them, you alt right people love you some white supremacy that isn’t called it.

      Greeks and Romans did the racism: https://www.jstor.org/stable/40023593

      Clyde, you accusing people who are pointing out your investment in white supremacist propaganda doesn’t make you unique. It’s one of the go-to strategies of every white supremacist that learned their ideology watching Ben Shapiro videos.

      But you’re literally the racist POS here. You’ve done Jack shit to deny it other than try to play the uno reverse card, while I’ve pointed out your white supremacist bullshit.

      All you’ve done is throw up a strawman and call that racism, the problem with a strawman is, I never said it or claim to agree with it.

      Sorry you don’t like people of color getting their ancestral land back. I can’t wait to hear your thoughts on native Americans and African Americans 🙄 I bet you don’t want them to get reparations.

      • masquenox@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        1 year ago

        that white supremacy

        You didn’t have the foggiest clue how white supremacism works a while ago… you don’t have the foggiest clue how white supremacism works now. Nothing has changed.

        The concept still did

        Clyde, read this part again, and read it carefully.

        White supremacism didn’t exist back when the Roman empire was a thing because white supremacism hadn’t been invented yet. You know… the same reason the Romans didn’t have M16 rifles? The “scientific racism” which underpins the modern-day ideology of white supremacism is a purely European invention that arose during the colonialist era starting with the (so-called) “Reconquista” in Spain.

        But you’re literally the racist POS here.

        Again… you accusing people who are pointing out your investment in white supremacist propaganda of “reverse racism” doesn’t make you unique. It just makes you a run-of-the-mill, made-in-a-mold white supremacism apologist.

        All you’ve done is throw up a strawman

        Clyde, you apologizing for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state is not a strawman - it’s you apologizing for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state. That’s you… no amount of deflection changes that.

        Sorry you don’t like people of color getting their ancestral land back.

        The Palestinians will get their land back eventually - white supremacist settler-colonialist projects are as unsustainable in the middle-east as they proved to be in Africa. Your hoped-for genocide will fail.

        • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          An apple is still an apple regardless of whether you call it an apple.

          If this sentence doesn’t make sense to you, there’s no need to proceed because you’re just actively refusing logic.

          And again, I don’t support what the Israeli government is doing, that’s more strawman out of you.

          • masquenox@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            1 year ago

            An apple is still an apple regardless of whether you call it an apple.

            A white supremacist settler-colonialist state is still a white supremacist settler-colonialist state regardless of how much white supremacist propaganda you peddle in a vain attempt to prove otherwise.

            no need to proceed

            Nobody is stopping you from scampering away from this, right-winger.

            • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              1 year ago

              You’re the right-winger. This is well established. You scoff at the face of objective truth, throw up strawman arguments that no one made and make a bunch of wildly racist comments then play “no u”. You keep white washing an entire people, calling them colonizers, but that’s our ancestral home, regardless of the atrocities that the government is currently doing. It’s not the Palestinians ancestral home, but they’ve been there for such a long time that the correct action is a two state solution. Neither side wants that though. But all you want is to throw antisemitism around.

              You’ve played every racist possible angle there is and then have the audacity to claim it’s not racist, everyone else is. And you keep calling my liberal ass right-wing, because you proud boys love your LARPing.

              Keep your tiki torches out of here.

              • masquenox@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                1 year ago

                Again… a white supremacist settler-colonialist state is still a white supremacist settler-colonialist state regardless of how much white supremacist propaganda you peddle in a vain attempt to prove otherwise.

                Do you have any other “Big Lies” you wanna try hiding behind? Your current ones seem a bit… threadbare.

                • bustrpoindextr@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  1 year ago

                  That’s fascinating, but I’ve already disproven that claim. So you can keep saying it all you want but it doesn’t make it true.

                  I’m not hiding behind any lies, stop trying to play the uno reverse card and come up with a legitimate true statement.

                  • masquenox@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    1 year ago

                    That’s fascinating, but I’ve already disproven that claim.

                    Demonstrating your abject ignorance on the subject matter does not equate to you “disproving” anything, Clyde.

                    come up with a legitimate true statement.

                    Your wish is my command. Here goes…

                    A white supremacist settler-colonialist state is still a white supremacist settler-colonialist state regardless of how much white supremacist propaganda you peddle in a vain attempt to prove otherwise.