I mean, the sun is a star, and that one definitely affects your life
earth is a planet. it might play a role, too.
oh, planets, plural. well, jupiter’s massive gravity helped clear and shape the solar system, and the planets (except mercury) align to its orbital plane, not the sun’s ‘equator’.
also stars helped people to navigate
Also there are tons of people who do give in to astrology that do effect your life by their reacting in different ways to how others read those signs.
But since they all listen to different astrologists and those provide uncoordinated predictions that influence is somewhat mitigated because it affects you in all directions at once
Not depending on the time of year you were born though
eh, I have my birthday near midterm season every year, I’d say that’s the sun’s fault for being where it was when I was born.
Earth’s fault for it to rotate around a fixed axis at that spot relative to the sun each year.
So horoscopes are true after all, who would have guessed
What constellation does the Sun belong to?
The Big Lamp of course
Depends on who you ask!
I once saw the headline
Dog Breeds You Should NOT Get Based on Your Astrological Sign
I did not click but as an optimist, I imagined the content would be nothing but
Sign Problematic dog breed ♈ Aries Chihuahua ♉ Taurus Chihuahua ♊ Gemini Chihuahua ♋ Cancer Chihuahua ♌ Leo Chihuahua ♍ Virgo Chihuahua ♎ Libra Chihuahua ♏ Scorpio Chihuahua ♐ Sagittarius Chihuahua ♑ Capricorn Chihuahua ♒ Aquarius Chihuahua ♓ Pisces Chihuahua I thought this was an image.
Markdown and Unicode can do cool things
same, specially since i’m using a css style on lemmy and for whatever reason the table is not styled
Can you share a screenshot?
found it here, mine is catppuccin macchiato variant. i used the stylus extension to apply the theme.
I like Chihuahuas :(
Let’s just say for a moment that the placement of the planet earth at the moment of your birth actually mattered. Hell, if conscience was pulled from dark matter or dark energy at the moment of our birthday as Earth past through a certain area are the universe, that would be a cool idea.
But the problem with astrology is this assumption that our solar system is stationary and that every year, the earth nears the exact same location as your birth.
But this is entirely wrong because the sun is orbiting the super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy. So even if you believed the astrology stuff, you would have to make a calendar for 230 million years.
But wait the universe is expanding and our galaxy is moving! Even after a galactic year you would still not be located at the location of your birth. Woops astrology is dumb.
The zodiac constallations don’t even line up with their original dates anymore, for exactly the kind of reasons you described: the universe and our position in it are not stationary.
This website has a chart for the updated dates (note also that they had to add another zodiac sign because of parallax or something)
One thing that could have an effect is the time of year you are born because it seasonal changes. A spring baby will be exposed to more sunlight than a fall baby in the first 6 months of life outside the womb, and the opposite for the second 6 months.
What that actually affects other than maybe the strength of their immune system early on, I can only speculate about. But it would be a mechanism through which birth sign can be correlated to personality or health.
And if there is such a correlation, it would make sense that the signs and dates falling out of sync as the constellations process wouldn’t have any effect on anything because the stars and planets don’t matter as much as the seasons do.
Though it does make me wonder if there have been studies analyzing personality difference statistics based on birthdate. Though I think it would have to be based on full birthdate (year included) due to year to year weather variations, as well as location dependent due to geographical weather variations. Like if there is such a correlation, it’s probably stronger in Canada than California.
It can also decide if you’re always the oldest or youngest person in your class, which might be a big deal
wait wouldn’t this mean you could predict people’s personalities similar to how we can predict the weather but not change it
Even if there was influence, we’re still shaped by the environment in which we grow, especially personality, so no you couldn’t predict only from the starting point. Maybe if one day we are able to perfectly simulate a brain and record the entirety of a life, then we may be able to predict a personality. But that’s not happening anytime soon.
And a massive reason for legal abortions; I wouldn’t want my children to become the passive aggressive, depressive smartass I am. Better to make sure they’re born some other date of the year.
Man, this is grim but so spot-on
That’s such an aquarius thing to post
I feel like a random one should say, “your going to have a bad day”
I was expecting it under “cancer”
Libra: A big promotion is just around The corner for someone much more talented than you
-Weird Al
Now you may find it inconceivable or at the very least a bit unlikely that the relative position of the planets and the stars could have a special deep significance or meaning that exclusively applies to only you but let me reassure that these forecasts and predictions are all based on solid scientific documented evidence and you would have to be some kind of moron not to realize that every single one of them is absolutely true where was I?
Not to be that guy… But stars and planets definitely have the potential to affect all of our lives, just not in any positive w-- the sun goes supernova
Our sun will never go supernova because it’s too small for that. As hydrogen runs out, it will grow to a red giant by burning off the helium it produced and will expand to about Mars’ orbit. When the helium runs out too, it will then collapse to a white dwarf and release dust clouds into what formerly was our solar system and then it just huffs out like a candle in the wind.
To go supernova, our sun would need about 10 times its mass.
pretty sure the earth is a planet and it does affect my life
The stars and planets affect the lives of astronomers every day though.
Most stars (comparatively), I’m pretty sure there’s one pretty close to us that lights up the only half the world at a time, that one might be more relevant.
True. It should say “the positions of planets and stars at the time of your birth won’t effect your future in any meaningful way” but that’s a little long.
Crazy to me that people make it their life’s mission to shit on others for the most random things
This really doesn’t seem like shitting on others, just more like shitting on Astrology itself. It’s also really not that harsh, in my opinion, at least.
It’s crazier to me that people will make life changing decisions based on Astrological readings. They can be harmful. It’s not wrong to criticize the idea itself, as long as it’s not directly towards others.
was more talking about the comments that crop up when memes like this come around. The post itself seemed mostly fine if a bit primed for these kinds of conversations
Oh okay fair. Yea some people can take it way too far. It’s never cool to disparage people.
Crazy to me that it is acceptable for the irrational beliefs to remain unchallenged. That somehow pointing out that people are being conned is oppression.
Astrology impacts your life. It might not seem like it if you live in the West but it is hardly just for entertainment in Asia. The very demographics of humanity has been altered because of the people trying to have kids in the year of the Dragon.
ah yes. c/dankmemes the penultimate place for discourse on the social impacts of science and religion. Y’all taking this shit too seriously which is my entire point. Obviously if it’s an issue it’s an issue. But the meme is clearly for a western audience by a western audience. And most people on forum aggregators like Lemmy attack people for stuff they barely understand. The average latte drinking middle class valley girl isn’t harming anyone by talking about their chakras and tarot cards. It’s literally just a comfort thing for their subculture. You sound like my mom yelling about starving children in Africa when I wouldn’t eat her spaghetti. Just straight to the dumbest extreme
Right except for I have never once seen a situation where being wrong has offered a long term benefit to a person.
To the extent our models reflect the universe accurately is the extent that our decisions can be informed. A small irrational belief you are right probably not the biggest deal but I don’t know how you established that this is the case here. Who knows how many “average latte drinking middle class valley girls” made decisions about employment, friendship, relationships, schooling based on this stuff?
Anecdotal I know but my wife’s family is from the part of the world where it is taken seriously. Pretty close to our wedding my MIL sent us her blessing because her fortune teller signed off on it. I am curious, do you think it would have no impact had the fortune teller said otherwise? Like if you are the type of person to spend money going to a fortune teller to ask deeply private questions do you think you would ignore what they said?
You don’t get to decide what it a “good model” for an individual. What matters is whether or not the individual is making positive changes in their life by adapting models to their benefit. You should reevaluate your understanding of “truth,” because it’s not just how the world literally is, but is more importantly how people experience it. The measure of their character isn’t determined by your desire to fit their world view into a nicey labeled box
I never claimed I get to decide that. Reality doesn’t consult me about anything.
And no sorry I have no use for solipsism. Materialism ftw. Deal with the universe exactly as it is; raw, uncaring, cold, huge, and ugly.
You’re missing the point
It’s not my fault, the stars made me do it
I think there’s a distinction to be made between the people who use this as a bit of light entertainment and the people who substitute contemporary mysticism in lieu of empirical observation and confirmation.
Also the grifters. There seems to be a disproportionate amount of grifters in this space. Which is interesting to note.
Contemporary mysticism seems to reinforce a disregard of scepticism as well as serves to obfuscate the true wonders of the observable universe.
of course! Not saying that this isn’t an issue at the extreme. But social circles like Lemmy are quick to jump to conclusions and start judging people. The meme is clearly from a western context for a western context where by-and-large the effects are mostly aesthetic and harmless
Disproportionate? For what? Religion? Seems to me it has just the right amount of grift for made-up mystical belief system
My favorite thing is that astrologers are working with a ‘zodiac’ of stars which is so old, the stars have changed position in the sky and their zodiacal charts aren’t even accurate if you just up.
Also IIRC there should be thirteen astrological signs but that number was unpopular so the charts were fudged to make them fit twelve. So they aren’t accurate for any age.
the 13th, if anyone’s interested. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus_(astrology)
?Ophiuchus is one of the thirteen constellations that cross the ecliptic.[65] It has sometimes been suggested as the “13th sign of the zodiac”. However, this confuses zodiac or astrological signs with constellations.[66] The signs of the zodiac are a twelve-fold division of the ecliptic, so that each sign spans 30° of celestial longitude, approximately the distance the Sun travels in a month, and (in the Western tradition) are aligned with the seasons so that the March equinox always falls on the boundary between Pisces and Aries.[67][68] Constellations, on the other hand, are unequal in size and are based on the positions of the stars. The constellations of the zodiac have only a loose association with the signs of the zodiac, and do not in general coincide with them.[69] In Western astrology the constellation of Aquarius, for example, largely corresponds to the sign of Pisces. Similarly, the constellation of Ophiuchus occupies most (29 November – 18 December[70]) of the sign of Sagittarius (23 November – 21 December). The differences are due to the fact that the time of year that the Sun passes through a particular zodiac constellation’s position has slowly changed (because of the precession of the Earth’s rotational axis) over the centuries from when the Babylonians originally developed the Zodiac.[71][72]
I mean… there is sidereal astrology, which does account for the precession of the equinoxes. And tropical astrology has explanations and justifications to be how it is. It’s not just “oh dumb astrologers don’t even know the stars changed!”. Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
If you are actually interested or curious, here is a thread with explanations (it’s unfortunately on Reddit): https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/wr1iok/tropical_astrology_explanation/?sort=top
Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
They just don’t care 🌚
Also, with how popular astrology now, I’d wager that more than half astrologists don’t know it and only care about some cargo cult attributes
Like, their whole thing is looking at stars and stuff. They sure know it.
They look at stars the same way flat earthers look at the world around them.
That link doesn’t explain it at all, it’s like watching fundamental religious people argue about how the Bible actually makes sense and applies to today.
The link does explain it, and if you listened to fundamental Christians describe their beliefs, you’d understand them better. You don’t have to agree, but if you never have an open mind even to things you disagree with you will never understand them.
That’s not true! They can soothe your mind while watching them, they could light your path on a very very dark night in the wilderness, they help you navigate, they’re a nice hobby for some people, even a profession for some. Boom! QED mate!
I’ve read before that astrology can actually be a good indicator of personality IF the person actually believes in astrology in the first place. It becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy where the person models their personality after whatever they’ve been told they’re supposed to be like. Astrology seems to just use alot of universal personality traits that probably anybody could manifest at some point in their life. So then a person who believes in it probably internalizes a few specific traits as “their” personality and after awhile just turn to that trait automatically.
No idea how true it actually is, but it seemed to make some amount of sense. It could potentially be useful if you’re dealing with a person who believes in astrology, but it’s such a random thing that it’d be just as useful to study Myers-Briggs personality types.
Love the subtle Myers-Briggs roast you slipped in there!
a capricorn made this smh
