On Friday, the globe hit 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees) above pre-industrial levels for the first time in recorded history

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    Not having children is the most impactful individual change one can make, well over going vegan.

    • F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world
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      Becoming a vegan anti-natalist is the most impact a person can make.

      I am uncertain of the numbers regarding both individually. You might be right.

      Personally, I think both are important.

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        Well, no, wandering off into the woods is the biggest personal offset you can make.

        And there’s a whole range between that and being a vegan anti-natalist, and once you get into calculating your impact on others the whole equation changes

        This isn’t a problem that can be solved personally, it doesn’t make sense to look at it like that

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          wandering off into the woods is the biggest personal offset you can make.

          what about destroying fossil fuel extraction or transportation projects?

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            Well that’s not really personal anymore.

            Like say you blow up an oil rig or tanker… Congrats, you just made huge a carbon footprint.

            Now say oil equipment gains a habit of being sabotaged, consistently. If it’s one person, It’s a problem for law enforcement. If it’s a consistent thing, fossil fuels have just become more expensive to produce statistically

            Or, you know, we could pass a tax or regulate them properly

            Regardless, my point is that climate change is a systematic problem, thinking of it in terms of individual action is already flawed

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        No it is not. Eugenics is an attempt to improve the genetic quality of a human population.

        We are talking about an attempt to stop climate change. We are not trying to “improve” the genetics of human population.

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          We are talking about an attempt to stop climate change

          those are the trappings, but the method is bare eugenics

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            No it is not. Eugenics is a pseudo-science about improvement of genetics. Period.

            Trying to avoid climate catastrophe is not about improving genetics.

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          that’s a narrow definition that doesn’t really encompass all the ways in which eugenics has been practiced. frequently, as i have done here, it is used synonymously with genocide. stop practicing genocide.

          • F_Haxhausen@lemmy.world
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            No. Genocide is murdering people. Genocide is violence against people. Forcing people, against their will to stop existing.

            Asking people to reproduce less is asking people (not forcing them) to exercise their own will.

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            Braindead take. We don’t need more children to be born into a world of suffering.

        • Boomkop3@reddthat.com
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          Eugenics sounds good at first, but human greed and corruption makes it an incredibly dangerous tool that should probably not be in the hands of anyone

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            Right, but from a “carbon footprint” perspective, making new humans is the worst thing a human could do for their footprint. What we need to get away from is the argument that our individual carbon footprints are too high. I mean, they are, but the ruling class is a lot more egregious.