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Also interesting that it ships with /e/OS!
/e/OS is a de-googled version Android. Most Google services are replaced with Nextcloud integration, but somehow all apps are still available through a software store that bridges to the Play Store while letting you browse for free apps anonymously. Google Play Services are replaced with the wonderful microG.
I used it on my Fairphone 3 for around half a year, and for the most part it was a very pleasant experience. And whoever doesn’t like it can of course (re)install stock Android. :)
How does e/OS/ compare with Lineage?
It’s lineageOS + µG + their assortment of default apps, including i.e. their app store thingy.
The last time I used Lineage it was known as CyanogenMod, so I’m not really in a position to perfectly compare the two. But I’ll give it a shot.
Lineage includes many more Google components. As an end user this means that you’ll for example be able to use the Google location service, using WiFi and bluetooth to identify where your phone is even when you don’t have GPS reception. /e/OS depends on a mostly discontinued Mozilla location service, which would have been amazing had it only worked better. So location data for example inside buildings can be a bit spotty.
/e/OS also has a bunch of extra features to protect your privacy if you should wish, such as messing with your location data so that the apps on your phone will have no idea where in the world you’re located.
/e/ also comes with a bunch of FOSS alternatives to the default Google apps by default, while i think Lineage might leave it to the users to fill the phone with apps. You can of course uninstall apps from /e/ and install the Google ones should you wish.
As a footnote: Both its developers, @Murena, and #eOS itself ( @e_mydata ) are present on the Fediverse. :)
Lineage includes many more Google components. As an end user this means that you’ll for example be able to use the Google location service, using WiFi and bluetooth to identify where your phone is even when you don’t have GPS reception.
This is false.
The only thing Google LOS has besides the AOSP is using Google’s connectivity check to my knowledge.
LOS comes with no Google apps or play services, you must install those yourself if you want them.
the most sustainable smartphone is the one that you already have
Funny coincidence: Fairphone has a blog post titled exactly that. And they say the same thing on their shop page. You’re going to replace your phone eventually, but Fairphone is the only phone company I know trying to stretch that out.
yay!!!
This is true. When the original Fairphone came out I didn’t get it because I had a working HTC. My next phone was purchased as an emergency when my current phone fell into water, so I had to walk into a phone shop and buy an immediate replacement. But that was the day that I decided to buy the Fairphone 3… Because the phone that fell into water was sealed and glued together, and there was no way to remove the battery or dry it out. It buzzed and beeped to death in my hand taking all of my data with it (internal memory only).
I’ve been rocking the FP3 since then. Upgraded the camera, replaced the battery twice, and once replaced the lower assembly because the usb3 port got damaged and couldn’t hold the cable.
My wife has the same phone now. So I could upgrade to the FP4 and use my FP3 for parts, in case she ever breaks a screen or needs a battery. But why bother? This works just fine.
This is pretty exciting. I wish it would have happened sooner though. It was at the top of my list when I was looking at phones last year, but it was still unavailable when I decided to go with the Pixel 7.
That’s a step in the right direction, hopefully in the future phones will be more like computers, where you can buy parts and build your own. At least that’d be my dream.
Well not all computers can be upgraded unfortunately. Looking at you MacBooks with SSDs welded to the motherboard…
Well, that’s not a PC, it’s a Mac :P
There aren’t lots of compact devices that are upgradable, even on windows. Most use soldered ram and flash storage.
Which sucks because there was a time when some laptops let you change all the parts, including the CPU.
Then maybe it’s time we changed that!
It’s already happening:
Framework devices are cool as heck, but damn are they expensive…
Maybe if you spec them out.
But it’s like $1000 for the midrange model with the latest hardware, which is in line with the competition.
And the first upgrade you do will end up saving money, since you won’t have to replace the whole laptop.
But it is a computer.
I was referencing those old
cringyMac ads.Yeah I love Justin Long but man those were fucking lame ads.
Years ago google was looking at doing a modular phone. It was basically a frame with modules on the back that contained the battery, storage, cameras, and even the processor. The screen was even replaceable in a similar way. I really want someone to do another project ara.
I remember that, I liked the idea except for Google being involved. The dream would be a fully modular phone running Linux. I don’t ever see that becoming a reality, but hey.
Right, getting a Linux phone to work well still hasn’t been achieved, let alone on modular hardware!
What do you mean by “running Linux”? Android is Linux.
By that logic MacOS is FreeBSD. Android has a modified Linux kernel, doesn’t run GNU software or basically any Linux applications natively and it has a bunch of Google proprietary crap on top of it, when I mean “running Linux” I mean running a FOSS GNU/Linux distro.
There’s Android forks out there that avoid Google’s crap. LineageOS and GrapheneOS come to mind. Though I’m less familiar with all that.
I know, but you’re still at the mercy of Google’s upstream codebase. Don’t get me wrong, degooglefying Android is better than nothing but it’s not the ideal we should be striving for.
I think that was called project aria or ara… something like that. A fully modular phone seems so great! I hope that concept is used someday like the Framework uses on their laptops for ports.
I love Fairphone’s mission, but no headphone jack equals no purchase from me.
Does anyone know why they don’t have a headphone jack?
The fact that even they don’t include one actually makes me respect the existing phone manufacturers a lot more. I always assumed that Apple did it to sell airpods, and then the others did it just to copy Apple or sell their own dongles/headphones.
But if even an organization like this chose not to include one, then maybe not including it really does make the phone a lot smaller or cheaper or waterproof or whatever.
That being said, I can’t believe cars don’t have aux ports anymore. Surely the cost and size isn’t significant on that scale.
Disclaimer: both for cars and my phone, I’m generally happy with Bluetooth. But I want the option to use a headphone jack without needing to buy or remember a dongle. It’s insidious because the kinds of things that you would need a headphone jack for are uncommon enough that you won’t get into the habit of bringing a dongle for them (e.g. road trips, full day of phone interviews)
The CEO claimed it’s because the USB C port can withstand more than the 3.5mm so it’s more sustainable to use that. I honestly don’t buy that argument because now you’re putting all of that load from 2 ports into 1. Also, if they were truly Fairphone, I should be able to buy a replacement headphone jack if it does break.
I think he eventually admitted it was a mistake, but it turned from a definite purchase to a zero for me.
I though the official response was that they couldn’t fit one without making the phone larger than it already is and that it was a hard decision.
For me, this doesn’t ring true. My USB 3 port got to the point where it couldn’t hold a cable (not lint or dirt, the tiny little bit that holds the cable firmly got worn down). I have rarely had a headphone jack break. Maybe twice in my life, on old battered walkmans or mp3 players that suffered years of use.
My USB 3 port got to the point where it couldn’t hold a cable (not lint or dirt, the tiny little bit that holds the cable firmly got worn down)
This is the current state of my S21. I only used the usb-to-aux adapter a handful of times, as I ended up getting a BT headphone pair because of the hassle. I think whoever manufactured the USB-C jacks screwed people over.
They offer a 5 year warranty and I can imagine that the lifetime of the jack would be below that
Great news. The more sustainable options the better. Hopefully it will do well
I have a Fairphone 3 for several years now and if it dies I will probably get another Fairphone. The camera could be better but I’m alright with it. The audio is broken when recording concerts. But I actually like my phone and it’s pretty robust too.
Like many of you, this was a much desired phone for me. Now I’m just left wondering how soon their next phone releases. Been too long. If I’m focused on eco friendly I may as well also stick with what I’ve got until then.
Yeah, the most eco-friendly thing anyone can do is keep using the phone they have.
Dangit Fairphone where were you 6 months ago when I was looking for a new phone.
I have a Fairphone 4 and I’m very happy with it. Strong recommend.
Has anyone compared this to a PinePhone?
I bought a PinePhone and it works great as a mini laptop to do light programming. But as a phone I don’t think I could trust it, and the interface seemed to need some work. It was cool (though awkward to control) running full desktop apps like VLC though.
Perhaps I should have tried a different OS though. I couldn’t tell how much of it was software vs hardware limitations.
This would be a middle ground between a PinePhone and a big standard Android phone
It’s still running Android, but it doesn’t have Google Play Services
The fairphone has google services preinstalled.
The one that’s going to be available in the US is the de-googled version.
Nevermind then
Ohhh, I go between Europe and the US a lot and own one of these. Hopefully this means US companies will offer more support for the fairphone 4!
Fairphone was literally my top choice before I bought my current smartphone, until I found out I couldn’t get it. So this is great, hopefully they still sell it whenever I update my phone (which won’t happen for a few years). Several other people have already commented something along these lines, but I’m just happy about it.
I’m due for an upgrade from my pixel 3, which I love but the battery life is getting very low. I’m very interested in this, but wouldn’t want to spend the money/resources on something that doesn’t work well for me. Getting something upgradeable, then discovering the quality is bad and it doesn’t last isn’t very sustainable.
If anyone has any personal experience with this phone I’d love to hear it!
I’ve had one for a while now and overall I’m happy with it. The screen and camera are as good as some other devices and it doesn’t support all of some bands that US providers use so service coverage may vary. I should also add that the touch sensitivity is a little off. I’m not sure if thats software or hardware to blame though.
I’m on a T-Mobile reseller and excluding situations like being inside a data center or being outside of town camping or whatever my service has been acceptable. Its also less an issue for me as in almost always in WiFi range.
I don’t think the phone is upgradable. It is repairable though. The fact that it has an easily removable battery is enough to justify the device for me as glued in dead batteries have historically been my biggest issue with device longevity.
I never considered that the model of phone would affect the coverage, that shows how much I know! Definitely something to consider, I drive through low coverage areas a lot and do not want to get stranded with no way to communicate.
And good point with the upgradeable vs repairable. It would be so cool if it was upgradeable! Making every new part backwards compatible would be a huge pain for the designers though. But like you said the battery is the real problem with most phones. I’d be very happy with a more standard phone that just had a replaceable battery!
Have you ever had an issue that you had to get support for? Whether it’s asking fairphone for help or just searching online for answers, did you have any trouble?
I am very clumsy and tend to drop my phone a lot. I worry that the disassemble-able design could make the phone less drop resistant, have you experienced that? (Or maybe you just have basic levels of hand-eye coordination and are able to hold on to a phone without issues lol)
Yes it’s not as durable, also it’s not water resistant at all.
I’d consider getting a good case with it.
The screen is Gorilla 4 so it should be fine with a protector.
Have you ever had an issue that you had to get support for? Whether it’s asking fairphone for help or just searching online for answers, did you have any trouble?
Hmmm. I don’t think so. I had some weird issues with audio on phone calls at one point but I think that was not due to the phone and more so due to LineageOS, a third party OS.
I worry that the disassemble-able design could make the phone less drop resistant, have you experienced that?
Well I don’t drop my phone but I also don’t feel like its construction lends it to being overall weaker. I also keep it in a case and with a screen protector on though.
I’d like one of these but I’m not sold on De-Googled
Same. In my experience as well, almost all alternatives to Google Maps either:
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don’t have Android Auto support (a must for me)
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don’t have local coffee shops (you’d be surprised how often these apps fail to find 7-Brew coffee shops…)
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don’t actually give you enough time to turn (Waze… Which is also owned by Google btw)
Waze is the closest of these but man it’s annoying with that third bullet point. It’s also not FOSS.
I can only imagine Magic Maps falls into one of those three categories too.
Organic Maps is surprisingly good. Not fantastic, no - but it can highlight coffee shops or restaurants or gas stations on your route
I definitely like Organic Maps the best of the options I’ve tried, but unfortunately it doesn’t have Android Auto support.
It looks like they tried to do Android Auto support about a year ago in a branch, but they abandoned the branch. There is a new “aa” branch that is active though, so hopefully that works out.
If it does get Android Auto support, I will definitely switch to it permanently though!
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You can also use normal android on it, it does come with stock option too
I make regular use of software that requires both SafetyNet and up to date security patching unfortunately. I’d love to run something like Lineage on Fairphone if it could meet those requirements.
as I said, you can buy a Fairphone that isn’t degoogled, the degoogled version is an option is not mandatory. If you have those requirments but still want to use a Fairphone, you can buy one that fullfills them.
The article says only the De-Googled version will be sold in the US, for now anyways
Oh I didn’t know, but I would think that you could regoogle it
