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  • fosforus@sopuli.xyz
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    The man who negotiated the first SALT treaty with USSR in 1969, which somehow held until START II in 1993 which never really took effect, sadly. He opened up relations between USA and China in 1971. He led the peace process between Vietnam and the US (leading to his Nobel Peace Prize).

    This article is absurd bullshit in how much guilt it lays on Kissinger. For instance, it alludes that the Cambodian genocide was due to Kissinger, while in reality, it was Pol Pot 100%. Even if there are circumstances that lead to committing genocide, country leaders are not unthinking animals with no free will. Pol Pot decided to do this, it’s on him, and it’s one of the many atrocities communist countries have done. You cannot just bullshit your way out of that, no matter how much you like communism.

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      Kissinger bombed hundreds of thousands of innocent Vietnamese, Cambodian and Laotian civilians, and they gave him a fucking peace prize because he finally stopped.

      He is responsible for Pol Pot’s rise to power so he’s indirectly to blame for Pol Pot’s regime. You can’t bomb a country to hell and not be responsible for the aftermath.

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        Their neighbors are Vietnam, Laos and Thailand. First two had significant and successful communist uprisings and of course Vietnam War going on at the time. Also China directly supported Khmer Rouge, and USSR less directly. I think it’s silly to place so much guilt on Kissinger when all that was going on.

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          None of them attacked innocent civilians in Cambodia: Kissinger bombed innocent civilians in Cambodia. And then after it became known that Pol Pot was a genocidal lunatic, the west started supporting Pol Pot AFTER it became known what he did until his death, while the communists attacked and deposed Pol Pot.

          It’s always the same: the west murders indiscriminately people in the global south and then act all innocent when this radicalizes the survivors.

          Edit: you also mention Vietnam. What Kissinger did there was also monstrous.

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      all who died in the aftermath, like the Cambodian genocide their destabilization set into motion — died because of Henry Kissinger.

      That seems like an actual vs proximate cause issue. We don’t blame some Austrian art school for the Holocaust.

    • Alien Nathan Edward@lemm.eeOP
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      he lead the peace process in Vietnam

      He sabotaged the peace process in Vietnam because it was going to happen under Johnson and he didn’t want Johnson to carry that win into his election against Nixon.