I once bought 0.0167 BTC at close to 1 BTC = 30k USD evaluation, I was able to sell it for double the value in late 2021, bought some really nice groceries that month. Looking at the 5 year chart it looks like I couldn’t have sold at a better time, lmao.
Good going. Nice groceries are under appreciated. But the watching fresh veggies cook is considerably therapeutic
You could have sold now since it’s 42k now.
I love the future of cryptocurrency where bread will cost 1BTC today and 0.1BTC tomorrow and 10BTC the next.
Ain’t no loaf of bread costing $42,000.
Yet.
This would never happen with any other currency ever.
Not on such a short timeline, but precious metals were left behind for a reason.
I thought precious metals were left behind so roman emporers could debase the value of coins to build “great” works.
but 42k is lower than 60k
October’s 12 month inflation rate was 3.2% trending downwards…
This image is almost two years old.
Isn’t bitcoin up 130% for the year? I’m confused
Ah, because bitcoin is up 130% for the year October of this years inflation is contextually necessary for inflation from February of 2022.
Wait, no, now I’m confused. This image is old. It is not current. It is not going to reference current events. Or even events of a couple months ago. It’s going to reference events from two years ago or older.
The real question is why is a post about conditions that are 2 years old, getting so much traction now when it appears the opposite is relevant?
Because inflation is still high and crypto is still volatile.
Because they’re indicative of general economic conditions.
Not really, bitcoin was trending sideways before the banking crisis. If anything bitcoin solidified its reversal when this happened. So it did the opposite of what would normally cause poor general economic conditions
They had me going in the first half, not gonna lie.
Bitcoin is up almost 150% this year.
Now do 2 years
It’s down about 7% from December 2021.
No, it’s down 28% from December 3, 2021
Let’s keep going. It’s up 117% from December 3, 2020.
That’s my point, saying “it’s up x this year” as a justification to buy it lacks so much context as to be completely meaningless
Ok it’s up 70 000% from 10 years ago
And it’s up [undefined] from 20 years ago
No, it means it’s not dead and is still trending up.
Yes, more scams are brewing again.
Eat downvote (for some reason)
And then do 10 years
I mean, the joke is being posted in 2023. Losing half in 2023 would mean you were trading not investing.
The joke is also from 2022 when it could be easily true.
The joke only mentions a year.
And inflation is not 7.5%
It was 7.9% in February of '22
He might have confused it with interest rates. Not sure what inflation rate is right now, but it was over 7.5% for awhile.
It’s extremely funny that you thought that was a valid reply. The level of stupidity and ignorance is astounding.
Please enlighten me then.
I mean you gotta be realistic: investing in crypto is either gambling or getting scammed. Bitcoin is probably more stable than most other coins but that doesn’t mean it’s not a gamble. And volatile = gambling assuming you’re not an omnipotent being.
TL;DR don’t invest in crypto. Any crypto.
If I’m being realistic, I’m not all-in on bitcoin. I have a variety of investments. But bitcoin is beating them all, by a lot. If you plan to invest in bitcoin and cash out in a few months for a profit? Yeah, that’s a gamble. But long term I think it’s a safe bet.
Long enough term, it’s guaranteed 100% loss though, you just feel like you’ll know when to pull the trigger. I divested everything when I 10x’ed my money… when Bitcoin were $1k each. I realized that that ride is a fucking roller coaster and I didn’t want on it. Do I wish I had $500k worth of bitcoin right now? Hell yeah, but fuck me if it couldn’t have gone the other way.
Isn’t regular money the same? I mean isnt it down 99% in 100 years or something?
Depends on your currency.
USD or EUR? Probably more like 20-40%.
Venezuelan bolivar? 99% is a pipe dream.
No
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Bitcoin is not a scam. Most other crypto is though.
Do you see Bitcoin more as a currency (like, something that will revolutionize how you pay for groceries) or as a security (as in “hodl”?)
If as a currency, how do you foresee it overcoming its scalability problems? If as a security, how do you think people will continue to have faith in it such that its price won’t go in the next few years to (roughly) zero?
I treat it like a security for now. I’d like to use it as a currency at some point in the future after it has more widespread adoption. I see it kind of like the internet in the late 80’s/early 90’s right now.
I’m not an expert on the technical hurdles, but I think the lightning network can resolve most scalability problems.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I have faith it won’t go to zero because I think it solves a real problem and that people find it useful. As a crypto it is unique because it has first mover advantage and is completely decentralized. And the longer it’s around, the less likely it is to go to zero.
What problem exactly does it solve?
It’s secure and it’s decentralized. No other currency offers both. If you don’t mind trusting banks and governments to manage the money system its not a big deal. But when they fuck it up, it’s the average person that suffers. Taking that power away from them is good for humanity in my opinion.
It isn’t secure: web3isgoingreat.com
And decentralisation is not something you want from a currency. All money used to be decentralised. Now we are encountering the same issues with crypto as we have had in the past with real money.
It is basically reinventing the wheel while claiming wood is the better material for the spokes.
Now let’s talk about how good for humanity its carbon footprint is.
Bitcoin—the world’s oldest and most popular form of cryptocurrency, with a total market value that topped $1.3 trillion—now eats up half a percentage point of all the electricity consumed in the world. That puts it on par with the usage of the entire country of Sweden. In fact, Google could power all of its global operations on that amount of energy, seven times over. In comparison with more traditional online banking, a single bitcoin has the same carbon footprint as 330,000 credit card transactions.
https://www.nrdc.org/stories/crypto-has-climate-problem
Note, that’s from February of 2022. The problem has only grown since then.
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“Security” is kind of a loaded term, implying that you’re relying on the efforts of a company to make the value go up, “Digital asset” is probably more accurate. IMO the “store of wealth” value proposition does make some sense, so long as Bitcoin retains the #1 spot in terms of name recognition. It’s like gold, it doesn’t have to be very useful in itself, it just has to be an effective and popular way to hoard wealth, and it has a lot of useful properties for that despite its flaws.
it just has to be an effective and popular way to hoard wealth
Which is the real problem with Bitcoin and all other crypto. It props up the capitalist system ruining the planet.
I think it’s a little more nuanced, but that is the biggest concern I personally have about crypto; once it engulfs more of the financial system it could potentially make it harder to use redistribution to resolve the problems of wealth inequality, by being somewhat beyond the reach and control of the state. That said, our system of debt based fiat currency is itself an engine driving wealth inequality and the worst abuses of capitalism. Just about every dollar in existence is owed by someone somewhere back to the federal reserve, and they and everyone they have employed with their borrowed capital is obligated to claw it back and more by any means. Monetary policy is often explicitly intended to do things like suppress wages. Cryptocurrency poses a clear threat to the dollar, which could possibly do more good than harm, but I’m on the fence about it in that respect.
In other words, after you average out short term volatility, bitcoin’s price reflects quite directly its brand value and nothing else.
If we’re talking about its price relative to other cryptocurrencies I would say mostly yes. Its price relative to other wealth assets also reflects the utility for that purpose cryptocurrencies generally have. Like, a lot more liquid than real estate, a lot easier to store, confirm authenticity, and transfer internationally than gold, easier to hide and smuggle than stocks, etc.
Well, I would say the utility value of those qualities is well offset by its problems, such as way less market sized than pretty much every main asset class (it’s only more liquid than realestate for fast in-and-out trading of smaller values, but less liquid than even realestate for large trades - because large trades that would barelly move the realestate market can massivelly move the crypto market - or even things with much smaller market sizes than realestate, such as most individual corporate stocks and the latter are actually faster to trade than Bitcoin because the stock exchange systems are way faster ) as well as its ridiculous gamma - i.e. volatily - (worse than stocks and almost at the level of derivatives such as Futures) and hence horrible risk profile for holding wealth (but wonderful for day-trading) and any professional trader will take that price risk into account when calculating the value of such an investment (and in my experience in the Industry and in derivative pricing, stuff with high gamma needs to yield massive returns to be worth the risk of holding over longer than a few days unless you can find something else with a negative price movement correlation to offset that risk)
In summary, as a Financial Asset for holding wealth, its only “reliable” value is its price’s positive correlation to brand recognition, though it’s a wonderful asset for speculative trading thanks to that massive volatility and all the wonderfull possibilities to make money from the movement itself on both the long and the short side (the people I know who reliably make money from crypto currencies without actually setting up crypto scams, do it exactly via speculative trading of it in short time frames).
I doubt zero will happen ever at this point. Too many businesses are holding it as a store of value for that to happen.
Don’t spread F-U-D here. You’re lowering the value of my humoristic investment.
Holy shit only down 50% which hot crypto is that? I gotta invest, it’s clearly gonna moon if it’s not fallen 90% like others! Magical unicorn!!
what’s funny is it will crash if nobody buys it.
What’s funny is you just discovered how supply/demand works. It applies to literally everything you can buy.
Not really, no.
Because the things I buy have use.
For example, a gun.
So edgy, bro.
If I had 10 bitcoin I could use it to have someone steal your gun. I wouldn’t but you get the point. Or even better I could buy it off you for half a bitcoin
I hope this is a shitpost because you can say the same thing about any currency.
Or guns. Surprising number of folks that will take guns in trade.
Also…
How much do you think a gun costs?
~3 USD /S
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Kind of a smarty pants reply considering i know elastic vs. Inelastic demand is an exception to this rule.
No, it won’t even go up if nobody buys it. It will instead stay the same value it currently sits at
It will crash if everyone who still has some tries to sell it.
If nobody buys it for long periods of time people will see the hump and freakout and this will trigger the firesale. I am sure this happens for at least SOME products.
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Bitcoin is not about investment any more than Lemmy is. It is about decentralization that unfortunately has been viewed as an investment.
The thing is that we don’t want decentralisation when it comes to money.
Money used to be completely decentralised in the past, there is a reason why we moved away from it.
We are now re-encountering the same issues with cryto as we had in past with real money.
For example our current system allows us to undo human mistakes, like accidentally sending money to the wrong address. With crypto, that just isn’t possible.
It is the same reason why so many crypto exchanges popped up, they are essentially the banks of crypto, who have control over the different transactions of their users.
But because it is less regulated, tons of those exchanges are basically scams.
To know how scummy they are, visit: web3isgoinggreat.com
This is generally my take as well, though I think there may be a place for it, as another layer or for localised systems… I don’t really know, I am not much of a financial person. I think it just needs to marinate a bit to find its niche, though. Monero seems cool for transactional stuff and I have played around with it a bit. It definitely has very limited use cases, though. I have a good friend who is an anarchist (defo not ancap, though) who is interested in this stuff, and I have chatted with her quite a bit about it, but I think she sometimes does not see the tech side clearly and I frankly think we need the somewhat fluid nature of our current systems as you mentioned more than we think. It’s a cool idea anyway.
Now, I admit I am stupid on this stuff and may be missing something (please correct me), but I am quite interested in ideas about regulating power and data aspects of cloud computing with it, however, maybe as a way to earn something for crunching while idle like Gridcoin; maybe for environmental reasons (less local hardware) too… Remember SETI, those old screensavers that looked for alien life in the 90s? That’s where they are now. The projects that they have whitelisted are super interesting: https://gridcoin.us/guides/whitelist.htm I think that there are others like this too, but I have not gone down that rabbit hole. Even for just a closed circuit like universities, government-wide public services (large-scale GIS and flood modelling in underfunded areas!), NGOs, etc… I am less convinced about how people are trying to implement it with AI stuff or any kind of daily retail, currently anyway. Anyway, that is where my brain has gone with that one. I played with Gridcoin, and it was a fun little experiment, but I didn’t want to fiddle around fixing it after something broke. It isn’t monetarily really worth anything, anyway.
Lemmy being decentralized is a solution to a problem that exists: media companies start nice and then fuck their users when they have enough of them. Decentralization means that acquiring that much power to rug pull is way harder.
Bitcoin has been forever a solution without a problem. The concept of Bitcoin doesn’t make sense, the execution of it even less. So the only use it has is taking advantage of techbros’ hopium that one day an actual problem will be solved by Bitcoin.
monero is a better option in this case
Bitcoin doesn’t even do the job of decentralization very well either. The blockchain is controlled by the wealthy miners with warehouses full of asic miners. Monero is a better cryptocurrency for that reason.
I thought Monero was just for buying drugs
Would you want to buy drugs with a centralized currency?
Miners do not control the blockchain though.They just offer to verify transactions and maintain the blockchain. They have no control over the price, the algorithm, the supply etc. not saying Monero is not a good choice too.
still, 90% of the Bitcoin is concentrated in the top 1%
That does not make it bad though. Bitcoin is not able to solve all monetary issues nor was it designed to. No monetary system right now solves that issue. This is like saying an EV is bad as it still can speed and kill people without recognizing all the other benefits over gas cars.
They just offer to verify transactions and maintain the blockchain.
Unfortunately that’s the issue. Only a small amount of miners are the ones making a significant dent in mining. Consumer hardware cannot compete with the corporations with large asic mining warehouses, especially ones run by governments and large corporations. This leads to further centralization due to the high barrier of entry and makes the blockchain susceptible to manipulation and things like a 51 percent attack.
Only half? Lucky.
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With inflation at 7.5%, you lose half your money in 9 years. The only way to outperform that consistently, that I have found, is crypto. Just this year I’ve already lost half my money.
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And then tomorrow it’ll triple
This is good for bitcoin
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