I was just reading about how a current Israeli war minister’s son died in combat and it made me wonder that if Israeli’s politicians who make these decisions know their family will be affected by it personally and directly, does that lend towards the suggestion that it is more likely they are making genuinely ethically and morally correct decisions to engage in war stuff given their personal skin i the game?

It would seem totally different from American politicians like Cheney who create bullshit geopolitical conflicts knowing full well their progeny will never be touched by it…

Edit: I’m assuming they actually care/give a shit about their offspring and family, even if only just for appearences

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    since the white people who colonised SA had never set foot

    Neither has the Europeans who colonised Palestine and created Israel, Clyde.

    while that absolutely isn’t the case for Jewish people returning to their homeland.

    European Jewish people’s “homeland” is Europe, genius. You know… the place where they were born and lived for more than a millenium before western antisemitism drove them out?

    There is no valid Zionist “claim” to any part of the middle-east - never was, never has been. You might just as well “claim” Jerusalem as “western” because the Crusaders massacred it’s population once.

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      Do European Jews not deserve safety?

      Did the Yemenese Jews who came to Israel in the early 1900s European colonizers? They came right alongside the first waves of European Jews.

      Did all the Jews who fled to Israel from Arab countries European colonizers?

      Are the Jews who stayed in the land of Israel all through the ages European colonizers?

      You know so much more than me about this topic though I’m sure.

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        Do European Jews not deserve safety?

        Do tell… why can’t they be safe in the place European Jewish people came from? You know… Europe?

        Did all the Jews who fled to Israel from Arab countries European colonizers? Are the Jews who stayed in the land of Israel all through the ages European colonizers?

        Do tell… how well is non-European Jewish folk represented at the top of Israel’s economic and political establishments, eh? Maybe put on your sunglasses before checking… it’s white enough up there to burn your retinas clean off.

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          Do tell… why can’t they be safe in the place European Jewish people came from? You know… Europe?

          You answered this question yourself already. You are arguing in bad faith. There are still less Jews worldwide today than in 1939.

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            You answered this question yourself already.

            No, no, no, Clyde - you answer it. Tell me that the whole reason European Jewish people cannot be safe in the very place they came from is thanks to the very same states that is now flooding Israel with military funding and logistical support - states that, not coincidentally, all seem to have deep histories of antisemitism, white supremacism and colonialism.

            And after that you can explain to me why Palestinians must bear the horrific cost of western antisemitism when Palestinians had absolutely nothing to do with the invention of antisemitism.

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              I took a look, looks about the same at this point.

              Only difference is the Jews have an army now.