In a tense game of chicken, remarkable for its mix of petulance and audacity, congressional Republicans are threatening to halt U.S. aid to Ukraine—guaranteeing a Russian breakthrough and possible victory in that war—unless Democrats help pass a bill that all but locks down America’s Southern border.
If the impasse isn’t resolved by the end of next week, when Congress goes on recess until the new year, the Ukrainian army could run out of ammunition. President Joe Biden could resupply the arsenal from U.S. stockpiles without legislative approval, but the move would be temporary, and the signal sent—that Ukraine, and by implication other allies, can no longer count on U.S. support in a pinch—could be a holiday cork-popper for Russian President Vladimir Putin and all of our other adversaries.
Throughout history, conservatives have always supported genocide. Harming the vulnerable brings genuine joy to conservatives. You can see this in their movies, comedy and news media. They thrive on the misery of others.
Be careful in your dealings with conservatives. They do not value the lives of others the way a normal person does.
The most basic difference between “left” and “right” on the political spectrum is that left-leaning people believe every human is worth the same and should get the same chances while right wing people believe humans are fundamentally different and the ones on the top deserve their place as much as the ones on the bottom.
That’s also why so many libertarians (or just recently proclaimed anarcho capitalists) are actually right-wing since they believe in unequal distribution of chances and quality of life based on capitalist principles and it’s also why moderates that claim to be neither right nor left usually lean more right
Then why are the Democrats supporting genocide? That ain’t Trump’s state department and UN ambassador vetoing a ceasefire.
The US deputy ambassador, Richard Mills, said the US would not give up on its aim of removing Hamas, explaining America wanted “to break the cycle of unceasing violence so that history does not keep repeating itself”. He said a ceasefire now “would only plant the seeds for the next war because Hamas has no desire to see a durable peace. Our goal should not be to stop the war for today but to stop the war for ever”.
Because the Democrats are conservatives.
That’s a bingo! But what are they conserving? Is it capitalist hegemony in the world? We’ll never know.
Billionaire profits, mostly.
Can you have too many pancakes? They’re delicious.
Your comment has nothing to do with the comment you are replying to.
lol you’re all over the board
Au contraire. Judging by the downvotes, I’m exactly where I need to be.
I think they meant that you’re so terminally online I can read a comment and recognize your garbage takes no matter where I go
If my takes are garbage, just ignore them. But you don’t, because they’re not. There’s genocides happening around the world, and you’re complaining about someone being terminally online? SMFH
The irony here is hilarious
Haha, you’re right.
Personally I think they’re desperately trying to keep the Jewish vote… no other reason. It’s horrible pandering.
I think that’s part of it, but I the government is also using Israel as a proxy, and we do have silicon manufacturing there. The government has a vested military and security interest in Israel (money and power is far more important, the votes are a bonus).
Unlike all of the other countries in the Middle East, Israel is surrounded only by enemies. Israel can’t turn on the US without a replacement military superpower, so they’re effectively bound to the US for guaranteed protection.
Example: Despite Iran’s posturing they weren’t going to attack knowing they’d get a military response from the US if they did. They almost certainly could get away with attacking a different country the US isn’t protecting though without anything more than sanctions.
The US can support Israel’s right to exist along with the Palestinians too and could pressure Israel to have a more reserved response that didn’t kill so many Palestinian civilians. And in fact it’s clear many in the administration want this. However as there are definitely ardent Israel supporters that have no empathy for the civilians plight and that have deep pockets and long memories, it appears Biden is very reluctant to offend them right before an election.
None of this is mutually exclusive with what I said and you got really close to my point…
that have no empathy for the civilians plight and that have deep pockets
I keep seeing everyone talking about only a few groups:
- those who do not give a shit about/hate Palestinians
- those who only care about Israel
- and those who actually give a shit about innocent people not suffering
I’m not seeing anyone mention the group of people who do not care about Israel as a people either and only want to protect their money and power and view Israel as a tool to do so.
That last group is currently escaping the headlines which are essentially all about people who are vocally pro-/anti-Israel or pro-/anti-Palestinians and not about the group who care about neither. The last group needs more attention because they will be funding the next war too.
I think the issue here, hence why you’re getting dragged, is Democrat ≠ progressive, therefore your comment is a bit of a non sequitur.
It is a non sequitur. I just found it odd to scorn conservatives for genocide while not mentioning that Democrats are actively abetting a current one.
I think it’s a non sequitur because American Democrats ARE conservatives, as is noted later. With that in mind, the comment chain reads as:
Them: Conservatives have always supported genocide.
You: Then why is the other conservative group supporting genocide?
I believe a significant chunk of the site agrees with you regarding the subject matter, I’m just pointing out why I believe it’s not going over well. Take it or leave it, I’m just trying to provide constructive criticism.
Edit: shit, i read your comment as “it is not a non sequitur”. I’m too tired, words hard, leaving original comment for posterity.
Don’t apologize for being secure enough to apologize. There is so much negativity on here, that you absorb it without realizing. Much love 💕
Maybe. Probably some. But I think it’s more accurate to say that for a lot of then, the suffering is acceptable.
On the Left Right and Center podcast, the conservative Rich Lowry once said it was ridiculous to say Republicans hate children. I think that’s true in the sense of, if you left a baby alone in a room with a Republican, it would be ok. But if that Republican could earn a penny of profit from killing that kid, you better start planning that funeral cause they’re toast.
I know! The movie Lady Ballers? Seriously, what the fuck is going on there. I get that comedy often comes at the expense of someone, even if it’s just the comic or a fictional character or situation, but that movie… It’s cruel humor that dehumanizes people and mocks their pain. Anyone who supports it is a rotten person.
Feeling’s mutual.
No it isn’t. That’s the whole fucking point.
The irony of this statement (in the Greek sense) is palpable.
Republicans are scumbags. If you’re a republican reading this, ask yourself what it is about your brain that makes you support true evil.
Do you feel small inside? Like you didn’t get what you wanted from life, so now others should suffer?
The answer is that conservative thinking is driven by fear. It’s not that liberals don’t fear things, it’s that liberal thinking isn’t driven primarily by fear.
This is a stupid question, but what is connection of fear-based thinking and not surprising Ukraine or supporting Putin?
The Republican base is taught to fear. Fear liberals, fear diversity, fear whatever they’re told to fear. A generation ago they were told to fear Russia, so we opposed Russians with all our strength. They’re told the only salve for their fear is a strong leader.
Now, today, Putin presents himself as a strong leader and suddenly Russia is no longer to be feared but admired. So what that he wants to rebuild the Soviet Union by invading the nations around him? Trump says he’s a good guy, so obviously when he says he’s invading Ukraine for their own good he must be telling the truth.
They follow anyone who presents themselves as strong and confident because that allays their fears somewhat. And since their current leaders like Russia and don’t like Ukraine, that’s what they’re supporting.
The fear is that a trans! woman might sneak up behind you at the urinal and sodomize you!
So Republican fears are just their deepest fantasies?
Well when you put it that way, yes. Absolutely.
Yeah, we have to closely watch the dollars spent on this war, from the very same party that had no problem funding the Afghanistan and Iraq wars and letting them go on indefinitely…and the very same party that used to be so staunchly anti-Russia.
Russian State TV ran celebratory pieces when the House elected Johnson as speaker. He’s been in their pocket for a while.
Remember when a bunch of Republican senators had a secret meeting with Putin on the Fourth of July?
I keep hearing about this. Where can I find more info?
Biden has pulled off other victories in the past that we all thought were dead.
Let’s hope he can do it again.
Is it really a gift if you paid for it?
It’s like when your mom used to give you money to buy her a gift for Christmas. Except this time you’d be a treasonous rat-faced fucking traitor and your mom would be a Russian asshole.
Every conservative is already a traitor to humanity, so this is kind of on brand. 😇
Fucking SPOT ON!
I’m surprised stopping immigration is so high on the Republicants handlers lists right now, considering there’s not enough people willing to work menial jobs as-is and that doesn’t seem to be changing.
They found a loophole. They don’t need adults to do those jobs anymore. Unaccompanied minors aren’t turned away at the border and multiple states are removing child labor laws. Now we have unaccompanied immigrant children working fun time making cars in Ford and GM factories, Cheerios, and all sorts of other things for pennies, all here in the US.
They aren’t working for Ford or GM. What the fuck with this? Even if the companies wanted to, the unions wouldn’t stand for it. I’m going to need a reputable source for this.
Edit: Or downvotes. That’s a perfectly reasonable way to respond to doubt and incredulity.
Their example was a bit simplistic. They are working in the supply chain and several other, less unionized, industries like meat packing and processed food.
What the OC said and this are not at all the same thing. You’re right. They’ll be in B2B companies and construction and food service. But what OC explicitly said was “in Ford and GM factories” and “making cars.”
It might be fair to say this of any big company who has B2B workers working in their factories. A lot of companies outsource janitorial services for example and could have kids in them. But a company like GM or Ford doesn’t want to get their hands dirty by directly hiring illegals, and the UAW would never stand for an outside company doing work the union could do.
Of all the defensible examples they could’ve used, those two are the least likely to be implicated. Hence my incredulity. If they have a beef with the auto industry or American automakers, this was the wrong thread to pull them out as the go to bad guy.
Absolutely. I just wanted to provide better examples.
Who removed child labor laws?
sarah huckabee sanders for one.
They just removed the requirement to get a permission slip from the government. They didn’t change anything else. Still the same regulations.
Illinois now allows children as young as 14 to work without parental approval.
Can you show me? Everything I see suggests a parent is required for the cert.
The free market / capitalist part of the GOP is dead and gone. They don’t care about labor, the budget, spending, anything - they just care about getting power and keeping power. They also don’t really intend to do anything they claim to care about, it’s all just about fluffing up the base.
The faction of Republicans that now firmly control the House have ties to Russia. Don’t forget all the stuff we’ve learned in the last 7 years. This isn’t good faith.
A victory that will solidify China and Russia and embolden them against Taiwan, moving us straight into WW3. A little deterrence could go a long way right now.
From Arsenal of Democracy to Arse of Democracy in 70 years
Fuck the republican traitor filth. We must hold the traitors to account!
Seriously. They are insanely fucking compromised. Anti-american trash who don’t deserve to live here anymore.
Careful. That’s how they want you to think about others. Ruthless means literally without compassion. Now granted, you may need to dig deep in some cases.
Just because Russia wants me to think something, that doesn’t make it not true.
If the impasse isn’t resolved by the end of next week, when Congress goes on recess until the new year
You ever notice how many of these critical bills come up and the news is like “they have 25 minutes to negotiate before Congress goes on one of its biannual 5 month vacations”? Like, I know the theory is that they’re supposed to spend that time in their districts dealing with their constituents but by show of hands does anyone feel like their congressperson actually gives any sort of a wet shit about them or their district?
I’ve said it before. We need to make congress and the supreme court live in their respective buildings during their tenure, like a prison.
This is what happens when you get locked into having only two major viable political parties. This shit is going to continue unless the American political system is reformed to allow multiple viable parties, for example with ranked-choice or approval voting.
Both partiesApparently just fucking Republicans will fight against this tooth and nail.Both parties
Sorry, but that’s not true at all.
Democrats have consistently been the ones to institute RCV in the US, including in North Carolina, until Republicans repealed it. Like it or not, if you want rights these days, you need to vote Democrat.
Dang, you’re right! Thanks for the fact check, I realize now I never questioned that concept, it was totally an assumption.
Here is a good article, plus a media bias check on the source. I was unable to find any mentions of Democrats actively fighting ranked choice voting (RCV).
https://19thnews.org/2023/04/ranked-choice-voting-election-system/
If only the rest of the world could help save Ukraine from Russia and the evil Republicans…
The rest of the world doesn’t have a humongously big arsenal that they can donate the weapons from in order to buy more BC they aren’t the richest economy in the world. Even if the EU had enough between all the countries the lack of central gov really makes it harder
There are a bunch of countries that have arsenals almost as big as the US. We aren’t the only ones that are able to help, we just love getting involved in other countries conflicts.
The US has more military power than the rest of the top 10 combined. What countries do you think rival the US in terms of military might?
In fact, we have so much random bullshit laying around from previous wars that we ship it off to allied nations pretty regularly - then we STILL had so much that we started selling it to random police departments and mercenary outfits in the US with the stipulation that the DoD can just roll up and take it back if they really need it.
I’m not sure you understand just how much ordnance the US keeps around.
EU is trying to pass $50 billion in aid but US Republicans aren’t the only politicians stroking Putin’s balls
If only the US democrats and republicans hasn’t lobbied and pushed for this war to happen.
Oh I’m sorry. Forgot you can’t say that and we have to pretend Russia woke up one day and decided to invade… Sigh.
As an American I can say for sure I don’t give a shit about that war. There is no scenario at all that if situations were reversed we would get the sort of support we’ve given from anyone.
‘What is happening is not organic’
Maybe Dems shouldn’t have tried to shoehorn Israel funding into that bill if they really gave a shit about Ukraine. Yes we all know Republicans are awful, I’m getting pretty tired of hearing how Dems are “the good guys”.
Israel was the way to get Republicans on board. Democrats would have absolutely done Ukraine by itself and they have many times. Republicans are the ones stopping it.
I think it’s pretty clear that the Dems want to conflate the two issues.
You bull for that bullshit or do you just like to play in shit?
Clearly it wasn’t the way because they’re not on board
Republicans aren’t on board because they want more. Every Republican in the House voted for the bill that sent funds to Israel and cut funding to the IRS, most Democrats voted against it. So Republicans want to fund Israel, Democrats want to fund Ukraine, compromise would be to fund both, right? But Republicans then demanded Conservative Southern border policy changes too, and that is why talks fell apart. That is where we stand now.
The lesson: Never trust Republicans
Are you assuming that Republicans are negotiating in good faith? That would be a mistake on your part.
Where is EU with their funding? Surely the threat of having a neighboring nation would sway into helping more right? Right?
The EU is sending a lot of support to Ukraine, but they’re not the military bullies we are.
The eu do not have the huge stockpiles of weapons and ammo that the US have. While they have promised aid for ukraine. That often needs to be built in factories first.
The EU (and it’s member states) have sent almost double the amount of funding the US has.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Looks like they gotta suck it up and send more then dont they.
Yep, we will, because it is in our interest. It is also in the US’s interest, but unfortunately some are too short sighted to see this.
Whataboutist says what?
So its up to the US now to do fucking everything right. Thats the implication
