Florida Joker is in the news again, this time demanding to speak with Rockstar Games, or to be given $1-2 million over his likeness in GTA 6.
Florida Joker is in the news again, this time demanding to speak with Rockstar Games, or to be given $1-2 million over his likeness in GTA 6.
And it’s funny how it doesn’t apply both ways. Go make a parody of one of Rockstars IP and see how fast you get cease and desist.
It’s almost like the law doesn’t protect equally
The law does. Lawyers don’t.
Something something “it’s just as illegal for the rich man to sleep under a bridge as it is for the poor man to sleep under a bridge.”
The real issue isn’t an actual cease and desist, but DMCA takedown. I hate almost everything about the DMCA and think it should be repealed. W/o the DMCA, fair use would be a lot more favorable to smaller content creators.
Unless it’s posted somewhere dmca doesn’t apply is my understanding, but if RS finds out about your fan project, that’s what cease and desists are for. Stop working on it, and if you don’t you’re screwed. You couldn’t even “leak” it at that point.
Cease and desist is the far worse one to receive was my understanding.
Sure. But a cease and desist requires a lawsuit, DMCA just requires filling out a form, so the burden of proof is much lower. That’s my point.
RS may be able to win even sketchy cease and desist suits, but that costs them money, so they’re less likely to bother unless you get really popular.
A cease and desist is literally a letter. The court is not involved in any way.
A DMCA claim only applies to copyright infringement, not any other illegal use of IP, and you can counter claim with just as little work if your usage is legitimate and force them to actually go to court to be able to require to website to remove it.
Yes, a cease and desist is just a letter with no legal obligation whatsoever. I could send one to Rockstar today. The interesting part is the threat of legal action, so I wouldn’t send one unless I had a solid case. The letter itself isn’t interesting, the judge’s order during or after the ensuing legal battle is.
And yes, a DMCA should only apply to copyright infringement, but there’s no legal obligation to actually prove that in court before sending the request. Since the request is sent to the hosting service (e g. YouTube or GitHub) instead of the creator of the content, the content is often taken down before the creator even hears about the request. It is not in the hosting service’s interests to fight such claims, nor look much more closely than to verify that the sender seems like they likely own the allegedly infringing content.
If you host your own content, yes, you’re responsible for whether you take it down before being legally obligated to. Most people use a popular hosting service, especially for something like a video where any form of popularity will likely overwhelm their hosting. That’s why people use services like YouTube, they don’t want to deal with scaling if demand takes off.
The threat of legal action is the same with or without a formal letter. It’s 5 minutes of a lawyer’s time. The barrier is zero. Anyone can send one for any reason with no cause.
The hosting provider is not obligated to investigate or defend against DMCA claims. If they receive a valid counter claim, they are permitted to host it again until actual legal action is initiated, in a courtroom. They don’t receive them for the exact same reason people don’t respond The barrier of a DMCA takedown after the trivial counter claim is much higher than a cease and desist.
The hosting provider is free to ignore counterclaims as well, and they frequently do. So I’m practice, the DMCA is much more effective than a cease and desist when it comes to major content hosts.
Things rarely get to an actual, legally compelled takedown because content hosts so often voluntarily take down content even when there’s a valid counterclaim.
Nobody is using DMCA requests on YouTube, your biggest example. YouTube has an easier process entirely unrelated to the DMCA.
No a cease and desist doesn’t require a lawsuit, where does that apply? You have your lawyer draft a letter and if they ignore it, than you have to go to court and deal with it, but these aren’t used frivolously like DMCAs so they are usually followed.
You can’t DMCA something that isn’t copyright infringement, if you’re hosting it yourself, a DMCA doesn’t even really apply to you either. It’s for third party hosters. And you still need proof regardless, you can’t just dmca stuff and not follow through with proof and enforcement.
Your point is inherently flawed it seems.
Most content is hosted via a third party, and the more popular third parties (e.g. YouTube) don’t seem to check the proof, they just take it down.
The cease and desist requires a judge, so it needs to actually have proof, so the barrier is much higher.
If you self-host, sure, but very few people actually do that, especially for something like a parody where reaching a broad audience is the entire point.
You can get a judge to order and injunction for a cease and desist which make it’s legally binding, but it’s not the only method available.
I can send you a cease and desist to stop commenting on my comments, if you don’t I would either than take you to court, or drop it.
A dmca means nothing to the person who did the copyright infringement, great I can’t put the video on YouTube, on to the next one… how inconvenient and obstructive to their work.
You realize you’re on the fediverse where anyone can Self host instances… yeah?
Sure, but how many actually do? And how likely is RS to find out that someone posted something on the Fediverse? I know we all like it, but it’s still a very small community and probably not worth their time.
People tend to post stuff to YouTube and then link to it from Reddit, Lemmy, etc, and that’s where the DMCA gets involved. How is RS going to send a cease and desist to me when I’m using an anonymous account? I don’t even have my email configured w/ Lemmy. If I hosted my own instance, I suppose they could send it through my DNS registrar and/or hosting provider, but I’m guessing they’d go the DMCA route on Lemmy or Reddit just like they would with YouTube.
Almost 13,000 instances as of right now. I also own multiple websites, anyone who runs a business has their own website. I don’t think you realize how easy it is to have your own place to host content.
You don’t think RS lawyers aren’t constantly searching the net for stuff that breaks their IPs rules? It has nothing to do with size. They’ll find it.
I love how you’re still on about it DMCAs, drop it, that’s lost.
Parody is protected. There have been a few made.
How many fan/parody games have made it to light instead of being C&D’d?
Parody is protected, but not when you have vastly more expensive lawyers who will bully you into compliance.
Hundreds, I would estimate.
Can you provide a single one?
Yes? Unless you’ve been living in a box this is not a surprise:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1926680/FUCK_PUTIN/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1151390/Putin_Life/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/2469880/Putin_Must_Die__Defend_the_White_House/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1540060/Angry_Putin/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/805820/Putin_VS_ISIS/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/866310/Putin_Run_Away_From_Trump/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/515040/Make_America_Great_Again_The_Trump_Presidency/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/769980/Lock_Her_Up_The_Trump_Supremacy/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/705410/World_War_Party_Game_Of_Trump/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/844260/Rustler_Grand_Theft_Horse/
You’ve also got Saints Row, which parodies GTA pretty well.
None of those are parodies of games……
And no saints row and rustler aren’t parodies, those are games in the same genre. You don’t think just because a game is a same genre it makes it a parody does it…?
Decent video on how it’s one sided against fans
The title says: Grand Theft Horse. The description says:
“DISCLAIMER: Any elements of the game “Rustler” that are inspired by elements of the pop culture are to be seen a parody or caricature.”
Why does it have to be a parody only of games? Parody in general is protected, as the games show.
Saints Row is a parody, as confirmed: https://screenrant.com/best-parody-video-games/
Uhh… because that’s what we were talking about here….?
Where does it say it’s a parody of GTA…?
And that proves nothing but another person has your opinion, the only way to prove it would be a source from the developer, but that won’t exist since if they say it, they would be cease and desisted.