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  • SeaJEnglish
    7•1 year ago

    If by China, you mean Taiwan, sure.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
      3•1 year ago

      Taiwan is a province of China. This is a well documented fact, and Taiwan’s legal standing is not in question. This is the position held by the UN as well as practically all the countries in the world. This is also the fundamental basis for having diplomatic relations between US and China per Potsdam Proclamation that was signed 77 years ago between China, the US & the UK. This position has never officially changed. You can also read about it on the US state department site:

      The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means.

      That seems pretty clear cut to me.

      • @CmdrShepardEnglish
        5•1 year ago

        Dang, you had all that ready to go as soon as someone mentioned Taiwan?

      • @spauldo@lemmy.mlEnglish
        3•1 year ago

        Sure, and that “policy” keeps China happy while we continue to treat Taiwan as its own country.

        The US doesn’t care about China’s little turf war as long as we get to trade with both.

          • @spauldo@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4•1 year ago

            The governments of Texas and Hawaii don’t pretend to control the entire United States.

            The China/Taiwan thing is downright silly. They can pretend all day long and make all the claims they want, but at the end of the day it’s just make-believe. The PRC doesn’t control Taiwan, and Taiwan doesn’t control the PRC. The rest of the world will smile and nod and say whatever we have to in order to get what we want, in the same way you’d smile and nod until your crazy neighbor stops ranting and goes back in his house.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
              4•1 year ago

              US has basically committing a genocide in Hawaii, having annexed it after WW2. Here are just some of the atrocities US is committing there. There is an independence movement there that very much deserves support from the world.

              China/Taiwan thing is silly only because Taiwan independence is a complete joke given that it’s entirely reliant on mainland China economically. China is going along with the farce simply because they expect to end it in a peaceful way. In fact, that almost happened back in 2014 when KMT was about to officially repatriate. The deal was that Taiwan would be allowed to keep an autonomous government and have a representative on the mainland. US ran a color revolution in response that put the current DPP government in power. However, their popularity has recently plummeted and it’s very likely that KMT will get back into power in the elections next year. At that point the talks of resolving the independence issue peacefully will likely restart. KMT officials have already travelled to the mainland this year for talks.

              • @spauldo@lemmy.mlEnglish
                5•1 year ago

                And the Hawaii stuff has exactly what to do with China? Oh wait, it doesn’t. The US being “nice” isn’t even part of this discussion. And really, neither the PRC or ROC have any leg to stand on when it comes to accusations of atrocities.

                As far as the rest, none of that matters. Does the PRC control Taiwain now? No, no it doesn’t. Has the PRC controlled Taiwan for all these decades it’s played this game of pretend? No, no, it hasn’t. Until the PRC has actual control over Taiwan, its claims of ownership are meaningless.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
                  3•1 year ago

                  My point was that China should start actively supporting independence in Hawaii, start doing freedom of navigation drills around there, fund political parties in Hawaii that promote independence, and fly native Hawaiian politicians to China for training.

                  And you can keep doing whatever mental gymnastics you like, but the reality is that that Taiwan is internationally recognized as being a part of China, and if China decided that it wanted to end the farce by force it could do that any time it likes. That’s the real world that you should try engaging with.

          • @FireMythEnglish
            1•1 year ago

            Sure- and if they want to be they are free to be. And there in lies the difference doesn’t it?

      • SeaJEnglish
        2•1 year ago

        Sorry. I should have said Republic of China.

          • SeaJEnglish
            2•1 year ago

            No. That is the Republic of China which is who the Potsdam Declaration was signed with.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
              3•1 year ago

              Postdam Declaration states that Taiwan is part of PRC, it’s not ambiguous about that in any way.

              • SeaJEnglish
                2•1 year ago

                It states that Taiwan is part of the Republic of China. Chiang Kai-shek signed it, not Mao. You can’t just revise history the way you see fit. Communist states are pretty big on that admittedly.

                Guess where the Republic of China is.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OPEnglish
                  2•1 year ago

                  It states that US has a one China policy and the government of China happens to be PRC as recognized by the UN and practically every nation on earth. If you still can’t understand this basic fact what else is there to tell you.