• mean_bean279@lemmy.world
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      You’re literally calling for raining bombs on a country of people who don’t want that… you’re not asking for human rights. You’re pushing your ideas of right on them. Have you learned nothing from what the middle eastern people have been telling western civilization over the last several years? They don’t want our ideas. They have religious texts that they believe sets up how to live and act for them. Just leave them the fuck alone and focus on our own countries.

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        Is there really no middle ground between “I don’t give a fuck about them” and “Bomb the country” ?

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        I’m calling for raining bombs on a select group of people who can’t seem to navigate their way out of the dark ages. Advocating for the “sit back and watch” position puts a higher value on the lives of tyrants than the rights of the people they oppress. If we kill the ones in charge who turn out to be assholes, they’ll either run out of assholes or get the message. Both outcomes are fine.

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          So if Russia wants to bomb your leaders because your country allows slaves in prison like a middle age shithole, you wouldn’t mind do you? You should actually welcome it.

          And then when your leaders keep ruling as tyrants by refusing to give universal healthcare to your people, the EU should execute your leaders immediately, you agree?

          And when your police keep murdering black people, your leaders should once again get blasted, you’ll get the message eventually, right?

          You wouldn’t disagree with these rightful bombings, would you? It’s all for putting you out of your oppression and the dark ages.

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              You’re a clown. The US has literally banned abortion and you want to take the high moral ground. Lmfao.

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                  Whatabout you make a single argument supporting your position? Because if all you can think is « kill bad guys then everyone happy », you might want to educate yourself with something other than Disney movies.

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                    Sure. Math: If I have one asshole leading a country and turn him into a reasonable facsimile of gazpacho soup, now I have zero assholes leading a country. Lather, rinse, repeat.

                    Never said everyone comes out happy and I’d watch that Disney movie.

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            I am fine with that. If all the politicians in the US were put on show trials and hung tomorrow I would go to work same as normal. You can do that for the Wall Street fuckers as well, plus the health insurance people, the lobbyists, anyone who sits on a think tank.

            Pretty much anyone who claims they get to rule over me and not provide people with a service. Go do whatever you want.

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              Pretty much anyone who claims they get to rule over me and not provide people with a service.

              The problem is that these two things aren’t, you know, unrelated. You say, the health insurance people, right, and I would generally agree they can go fuck themselves, but I think if we kill a bunch of them, the power vacuum will probably just fill itself with the exact same shit, while people slowly get radicalized and possibly become nationalistic because everyone’s getting killed by a foreign government, you know, especially as the government that’s getting bombed to shit starts cutting propaganda about it. You need to actively be providing an alternative that people will flock to, when you go and kill these people, otherwise, you’ll just be eliminating infrastructure in the form of people, and you’ll be turning everything into a dark age political radicalization hellzone.

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      Interesting thing about Afghanistan is that according to the UN, each government of a country is well within their rights to how they run their country within their own borders.

      Yes, genocide and loss of freedom are frowned upon and sanctions are called - but as it is the religion and view of the country they are left to it. We can’t push western values on another country.

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        The idea that half of the people in a country are still people even if they had the audacity to be born without a penis shouldn’t be a “western value”. Read the article again and find a book or two about what goes on over there before suggesting that we follow the UN version of Starfleet’s Prime Directive.

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        Ah, yes, remember when the Taliban was democratically elected by the people of Afghanistan?

        … oh. It wasn’t?

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        Interesting thing about Afghanistan is that according to the UN, each government of a country is well within their rights to how they run their country within their own borders.

        The argument for other country to everstretch itself can be that other country’s problems leak over their borders. What is the reasonable limit there? Instead of ‘we want oil’, there can be another case of a biological weapon, or that Afganistan is the source of a world illegal drugs trade etc, or whatever. Even plain cultural or religious antagonism can be faned into a fire, sold to a public as good and just. Now, after what happened to Afghanistan after 20 years is discouraging, but in twenty years? With corrupt guys like Trump, a military lobby and other conflicts in acive phase?