• R0cket_M00se@lemmy.world
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      The evidence of religion ruling people’s lives is right in front of you and you act like we are drawing conclusions from nothing.

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            Religion can be toxic, but so can non-religious nations like Russia under Putin.

            The real shit is money and power - those are what kill and lie and steal from the billions of us who haven’t yet got to the point of revolution.

            If nothing else we know it’s coming … and when it does it’ll be massive and worldwide.

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              So, you’re close but wrong country. Russia tried to get rid of religion but failed. The Russian Orthodox Church just kind of became part of the government. That’s why you see the priests blessing Russian weapons and stuff.

              China on the other hand did get rid of religion pretty successfully. The reason communism strives to get rid of religion is because when people aren’t arguing over who’s imaginary supernatural friend loves his people more. It’s easier to get them to agree on things.

              Now, I’m not going to pretend that this is a perfect plan. After all successfully getting rid of religion comes with a whole new set of pitfalls. But, I personally think the pros outweigh the cons.

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              Russia is 72% Eastern Orthodox by population. The US is estimated to be ~63% split between flavors of christianity, for comparison.

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              Bad people do bad things.

              But for a good person to do bad things, that takes religion.

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                But for a good person to do bad things, that takes religion.

                This sounds like it’s a prerequisite to be good before becoming religious … which historically is not the case.

                Child molesters who entered the priesthood were not “good” before using the shelter of the Church to rape children.

                Being “good” or “bad” is a conscious, moral decision which is maintained by every person choosing what is of the utmost importance for their life … selfish fulfillment or altruism.

                … this is, ofc, setting aside mental health issues that do not allow some to make rational conscious decisions.

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                  This sounds like it’s a prerequisite to be good before becoming religious … which historically is not the case.

                  No, it’s saying if you are good, religion can make you do bad and that bad people will do bad regardless of religion.

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              Religion can be toxic, but so can non-religious nations like Russia under Putin.

              You can die from snake venom. That doesn’t mean cancer is harmless.

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                I get what previous commenter said: the problem is the people with power wanting to control the population, religion is just the means to an end (sorry if this is not the correct way to say it). In my way of seeing it, religion as always been a cover to interests of the powerful, a way to keep the population controlled, or dumbed down. In the example of this thread, they are openly using this strategy by cutting access to education.

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          read a book

          Bible, Koran, Torah, Book of Mormon, The Vedas… you know there’s actually a lot of objectionable shit in all of these.

          I wonder if you meant some other books that support your ideals, jokes on me for reading the source materials instead I suppose.

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          Yes sir! Only Bible!

          Anyway, pretty fucking weird society where they have to wrap 6th grade girls from head to toe to avoid feeling attracted to them.

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        I would not say religions are bad when people consider real life more important. However, any form of religious radicalism is terrible and also when religion is combined with politics.

        There is nothing bad about following some religious tradition (such as all saints day or christmas) but pls don’t take religion too seriously. Edit: corrections

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        Religions can be harmful for certain dumb people who believe them. It’s not a given, but with the interconnectivity of today these dumb people can organize and create echo chambers, and be much more harmful to both themselves and others. A stark, anti-religion stance seems harsh, but it’s likely the most effective way to avoid these pitfalls.

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      casually thinks back ONLY these last five years

      remembers all the excuses and acts committed whilst hiding behind religion

      suddenly falls into a wormhole and lands in 1095

      I dunno, seems fishy.