• GodlessCommie@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    If you haven’t noticed he is not saving Palestine, he’s funding and providing the weapons for their slaughter

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      11 months ago

      That is reductive as fuck, you have a good point so why lie by omission and ruin it?

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        11 months ago

        Wheres the lie? He says theres no red line Israel could cross that they wouldnt have US support (He’s conding their slaughter), one of the 2 purposes for the Thanksgiving ceasefire was to replenish arms (providing weapons), and has authorized additional money (funding) for the apartheid terrorists to keep fighting

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      11 months ago

      Saving Palestinians means getting rid of Hamas. Even the Egyptians understand this, which is why their attempt to negotiate peace had Hamas getting gone too.

      Gazans deserve better, sadly many of them will die before they get better.

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        11 months ago

        The problem is that you can’t really get rid of a terrorist organizational with violence unless you kill everyone in a group they draw from, violence will just radicalize more people. The only way to get rid of Hamas is with better conditions for the people of Palestine so they won’t radicalize.

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          11 months ago

          You might not be able to kill all of them but history has shown us that you can certainly kill enough of them to allow for a multi decade long deradicalization program which is what it will take to rebuild the strip, decolonize Samaria (to an extent) and reeducate the people who are currently being taught Jews have horns and a whole lot of other bs.

          Killing the leadership whose siphoning billions in aid money would also go a long way to improving the lives of the Palestinians. I’ve read Mossad is working on that, wishing them all the best.

          Long game here means the Arab Nations who are currently not taking refugees will have to step up and help their brothers rebuild in a more modern fashion, UAE, Bahrain and Saudi should lead here IMO, with Saudi being tempered by the other two but kept feeling like they’re part of the solution.

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            11 months ago

            Yet what is happening now will only cause more radicalisation or the death of most Palestinians. After the brutality Israel has shown those 2 are the only possible outcomes.

            Also the leadership of Hamas isn’t in Gaza so not much chance of them dieing.

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              11 months ago

              The Hamas leaders not in Gaza don’t need to die, they need to be severed from the strip which is done by taking out the top leadership which Israel has been doing well so far. They even nabbed an IRGC leader the other day. Those people’s day’s are numbered and they know it.

              It’s happening, it’s not going to happen quickly though. Didn’t happen quickly after WW2 either. Long game.

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                11 months ago

                They are going to run out of Palestinians before they run out of Hamas at this rate though that may be by design.

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                  11 months ago

                  Well Hamas has made it very clear they don’t consider the lives of Palestinians to be their responsibility so sadly you might be right. They’ll sacrifice every one there before giving up the power they’re hanging on to. Seeing people raid aid trucks makes me hopeful they’re starting to turn on Hamas but I’m also seeing videos of Hamas shooting people taking aid supplies so hopefully they’ll run out of bullets before they run out of people so the civilians can access some of that aid.

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                    11 months ago

                    Of course they don’t, they are a terrorist organisation but funnily enough Israel has been more dangerous to the people of Gaza than the terrorists so far and this conflict is way older than Hamas.

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        11 months ago

        And leave Palestinians defenceless? So you condone the genocide being committed by your blue fascist AND you want to accelerate their demise?

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          11 months ago

          The only people looking out for Gazan civilians is Israel.

          Hamas has openly said they’re not responsible for the safety of the people, the surrounding Arab Nations refuse to assist with refugee aid.

          Let that sink in.

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            11 months ago

            They refuse to aid and accept Palestinians because Palestinians ready have their own land, that’s been stolen