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git [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net to news@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago

Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing ‘meaningful change’ to UK

www.theguardian.com

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Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing ‘meaningful change’ to UK

www.theguardian.com

git [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net to news@hexbear.netEnglish · 2 years ago
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Labour leader says former PM ‘set loose our natural entrepreneurialism’ in appeal to Tory voters to back him
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  • Mokey [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    As an American, the UK seems like a much more shitty and horrible place to live.

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      It’s quite shit right now but ngl I wouldn’t want to live in America either. There are some things I value that we have here which is why it’s ever more of a shame it’s going down the shitter.

      • Mokey [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        Like what?

        • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]@hexbear.net
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          healthcare for one, lack of armed crazy people another

          • Mokey [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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            Just for clarification, were not arguing here, i dont think US is better. Isnt your healthcare system going to shit too?

            • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]@hexbear.net
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              oh absolutely it’s going to shit but the American healthcare is already there

              Our healthcare is being deliberately mismanaged so it can be sold off piecemeal and eventually turned into yours

              • janny [they/them]@hexbear.net
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                Eh, to be honest I think part of the reason why the NHS looks better is because while american healthcare sucks and is too expensive, you brits have never experianced it in comparison to your own.

                I watched philosophy tube’s video about the NHS and honestly it seems like the NHS is a government agency dedicated to wasting tens of billions of dollars to maintain the appearance of healthcare so people can feel good about themselves until they actually need it. I for one prefer to know that at least while I might be financially ruined at a hospital or receiving gender affirming care, at least I can get it.

                • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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                  There is a fairly simple comparison to make here, the UK life expectancy is 80.9 years while the US life expectancy is 77.2 years.

                  Healthcare in the UK is bad for anything that is a non-emergency, this is certainly true. You will be treated fast in the US system for these things. But critical care is still very very good.

                  Obviously other factors play into this as well, like diets, health and safety, workplace regulations, food regulations and so on. But I don’t think the NHS provides poor care to those who absolutely need it. The problem is the in-betweens and things like gender care that are politicised topics.

                  You’re also not getting lesser care if you’re poor, which is a major and important factor. Nobody has “bad insurance” here.

  • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Labour radicals of the past would’ve beaten the shit out of him for this. No hesitation, they would have absolutely gone after him for it. And it would have been the end of labour.

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    in the same way the guy that stabbed me brought meaningful change to my torso

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    natural entrepreneurialism

    human domestication is real

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    The current Labour party was certainly the crowning achievement of Thatcher’s legacy.

    • Fishroot [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Thatcher walked so that Tony Blair can run

    • Gosplan14_the_Third [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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      Literally what Thatcher said back in the day.

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Really cementing his legacy bathroom

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    tory

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    I dont pay attention to the politics of places that dont exist but isnt this the chucklehead that suspended Corbyn, or something?

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      Corbyn is such a wimp, he tried to play nice with the rightwing of Labour, even though they were doing everything to sabotage Corbyn’s rule. Once Starmer got into power, they started purging the leftwing Lobourites.

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        They burned Corbyn and U-turned Bernie flattened-bernie

        Problem with these elder leaders is they put too much stock in the instiutions and niceties. We need more spice on the left.

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          To make it to the level that Corbyn and Bernie did in bourgeois institutions more or less necessitates a lack of spice. Entryism is always doomed to fail.

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          By shutting us out so completely from neolib institutions, they’re basically making sure that will happen by creating generations of people that have nothing to lose politically by going hard against a party they have no ties to.

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        He should have asked himself what would Vladimir Ilyich have done

        kind-vladimir-ilyich

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    [redacted] yourself you fucking nonce

  • Melina [they/them, fae/faer]@hexbear.net
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    Isn’t Kier MI5

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      Very likely

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