Fuck trucks. I remember the Ranger it was barely bigger than a minivan. These things are obscene. People who own them don’t need them. Most people don’t even need trucks. People like to cosplay that they live up a 25 degree incline of muddy, rocky road. But a subaru would be just fine and IS in most of the world.
I drive a B2300 (the Mazda rebrand of the Ranger) and it kicks ass. I get 7-8L per 100km, when commuting, I’ve filled it to the tits with dirt, flooring and lumber, and it doesn’t take up 2 parking spaces. I would pay an obscene amount to get the same truck but as an EV today. Why the fuck is that not a thing?!?
Best we can do is a behemoth truck that doesn’t fit in spots and costs a first born child.
This is actually a good point, why are there no small EV trucks?
I bet they exist in China.
I see lots of Rivians where I live. I’m not about to spend $130k on a small truck though.
Ford Maverick is the size of the old school rangers. I have a hybrid one and love it. Only problem is finding one not marked up sky high.
Ever heard of a Ford Maverick? It’s not a “real” truck since it’s unibody instead of body-on-frame, but otherwise it’s the next best thing to the old Ranger.
Transverse engine + transaxle + biased toward FWD
Like I said, it’s (unfortunately) not a real truck.
Yeah. At that point, get a wagon and a trailer. That’s my current setup but I am pushing the limits of it. 3 people + luggage + trailer + 2x 500lb bikes is really more than that flat 4 and CVT wants. I’m already having to do suspension mods to make it more comfortable and I’m still (officially) 700lbs under the tow rating.
The b23 was a great truck, though.
I recently bought a 2010 B4000 and it is a great size for a truck.
I remember the Ranger it was barely bigger than a minivan.
I own a Ranger and used to own a Ford Aerostar. I’m pretty sure they were literally built on the same platform. Also, my Ranger is a regular cab short bed, while my Aerostar was the long wheelbase version, so the van was definitely bigger.
My dad used to have an Aerostar, loved that goofy looking little minivan. Ended up getting a Plymouth Voyager that looked very similar.
The nerdiest part of me wanted to modify mine to look like a shuttlecraft from Star Trek. I never went through with it, though.
I probably don’t represent most people very well. But my wife and I have a single vehicle, a gmc sierra 1500. We probably use the bed twice a week. Trash/recycling. Moving heavy things around our property. Makes for a great mobile workbench for projects outside. And most often of all, we buy hay and grain for horses. A smaller truck would be a problem for us. We would actually benefit from a larger truck! But I don’t want a bigger gas guzzler. We get great fuel efficiency given the size of the truck.
Edit: I also don’t live in a city. It’s quite rural here
That, seems like a proper use.
I see many trucks with huge mud tires that they use as a main vehicle to commute to and from work and to run errands. I think these are the target for most people.
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Obviously not (yet?) available in the US but other countries have much smaller trucks with larger beds. https://www.kia.com/dm/showroom/K2700-2022/specification.html
That plus a 2200 lb hauling capacity make them a very capable, efficient, and reasonably safe truck.
Kinda funny how much the styles differ between USA and Europe 🙂. Looks like a great work truck. No space for a car seat in the back though so you would need a separate family vehicle. Which might be practical anyway!
This would satisfy my regular truck needs. But a 2200lb hauling capacity doesn’t work well with horses. A single horse can easily weighs 1200 pounds.
I could see this being great for many people here. But it’s also not a universal fit.
I saw a similar truck in the US the other day, a Honda Street/Acty. It was so cute!
won’t be. There’s federal legislation that basically says a vehicle has to be large to burn fuel like that, so you can’t make a small truck unless it makes small car mileage. The idea was that the auto manufacturers would improve mileage if forced, but you know how it usually goes when politicians try to direct engineers to make bullshit physics reality.
Do you run a farm? Meaning is your truck use for your business or job?
I consider it a hobby farm. We currently have 2 horses and 3 goats. But it’s not a business at all and doesn’t generate income.
? I’m sure you’re aware GM used the exact same gasoline motors in the half tons as it did in the 3500s. You can have pretty much the same gas mileage as the half ton as long as you make sure to find a 2500 or 3500 with the 3:73 or 4:10 rear axle ratio, not the 4:88 that shows up fairly often, but way more carrying capacity. If it’s throttle body era, the 3500s did have bigger injectors, just change them to the 1500 injectors.
I wasn’t aware but I’m also not surprised. I think there’s two things that give my truck decent fuel efficiency. First is it’s much lighter than a 2500 or 3500. Which means I can’t haul as much but oh well. Second is the feature where the engine only runs on 4 cylinders most of the time. I notice a big difference when it’s running all 8. This isn’t available on the larger trucks. Oh and I think mine has a 4:32 axel ratio but it’s been a while. If that’s the same engine, then the larger trucks should be able to run on 4 cylinders as well. Super lame if the just don’t enable it. Maybe it’s not effective with a heavier truck?
Oh ok. I had the initial impression your truck was a bit older, but yeah, no, you’re not significantly lighter, than the gas powered 2500s and 3500s. You are significantly lighter than a diesel quad cab 4x4, but only if your a regular cab 2wd gas job. Your ratio would probable be 3:43, 3:08, 3:23, something like that, you don’t get lower than 4:10 in a half ton generally, and even that’s rare. The cylinder shut off was annoying joke, they quit doing that for a reason, it’s really problematic and it takes the same amount of energy to move a certain vehicle a certain distance at a certain speed, regardless of 4 or 8 cylinders. Engines of different manufacture do use different amounts of fuel to do the same thing, not denying that. GM set up a scenario where you could see in real time if the exact same specced vehicle would get better mileage with four or 8 cylinders working. they didn’t. I bet you get around 17-19 mpg, which is been the chevy v8 standard average milage for a roughly 5.5 liter v8 powered pickup with a rear end ratio somewhere around 3:40, since 1970. I know you do get better mileage than when the cylinders are fully activated, but, they only activate when they’re needed, so, its kinda more marketing than anything, you’d get good mileage all 8 activated and not working harder too. GM is famous for shit like this, their old 4 barrel carbs with the tiny primaries and massive secondaries just lead to the secondaries opening ALL THE TIME, which resulted in worse mileage than a big 2 barrel carb or a equal bore 4 barrel. nevermind they were at the same time putting 800 cfm carbs on motors did better with 500, raised vacuum is beneficial, because people saw “800 cfm” as “just like my drag racing heroes”. A significant part of corporate engineering is marketing driven. you never need bigger than 500 cfm unless you have an 8 liter ish motor exceeding 7000 rpm, or some sort of forced induction.
I used to have a ~'99 ranger. Loved that thing. Now the closest thing Ford has is the maverick which is not only bigger overall but it has a smaller bed so it’s less useful.
'10 B2300 driver. Why will no one make a real compact pickup instead of a movie theater with a 4 foot box?!?
A gmc sierra 5.3L full sized truck of the same age gets the same fuel economy and is just as reliable
I love Ford rangers but they are surprisingly not as efficient as people think
A 5.3L Sierra is listed as 14 to 18L/100km, my B2300 gets 7 to 8L/100km…
Do you actually get that fuel mileage? I go off roading with a guy who has that truck and his isn’t even close, it has a truck topper though and is 4x4
Yeah, I filled up 45L yesterday with 550 on my trip odometer. It’s the 2wd with the small cab and a cover not a cap.
Oh yeah that’s a way smaller truck than I was expecting
I do appreciate Ford has the Maverick now as well.
I would love an old Ranger with the extended cab and suicide doors…I hate the new ones are f150 sized. Also the Tacoma structurally is no larger than the original tiny version…it’s all puffy body panels. Why can’t we ha have small trucks?
$$$
Pretty arrogant to claim people that own them don’t need them. I know welders that do on site welding and have heavy welding equipment mounted in the back.
You also wouldn’t want to have a civic flying down a steep hill behind you towing a 6,000lb travel trailer.
Edit:
Today I learned a bunch of people like to drive slow behind a rolling death trap that is a civic with a 6K lb trailer. Cool.
I think we’re not talking company trucks (which should park in a depot anyway).
It’s about personal garage-queen road-manatees. Because of course it is.
Just abolish and amnesty the Dodge ram. Given the inordinate DUI numbers, roads would just be safer.
Yes this is different. But still, how do you go RVing. You can’t, legally, without something that has the braking and towing capacities.
Glamping.
Or maybe just give up the “I want to travel and I want to take a single-wide with me” dementation.
Not everyone needs to like or dislike the things you like and dislike.
Sure as soon as housing becomes affordable. I hate having a large truck but it is the right tool for the right job and we live full time in an RV.
I towed an a-frame tent trailer around the South Western US and Western Canada for like 2 months straight with a 2.5L Subaru Outback. People used to go camping with just a fucking station wagon. Could it tow a giant 25 footer trailer? No, would I want one? No, what’s the point of literally towing a full sized house to “Get away”.
So weird that contractors in every single other country on earth don’t need them
How strange!
Except they do. Or they use vans which are similarly sized, maybe a bit more narrow. Or they just have older trucks.
They use vans mate. I’ve literally never seen a builder with a stupid tiny-penis truck. Maybe the boss if he’s having a midlife crisis but never, ever a contractor
Can you explain to me how you can tow 10k lbs of gravel in a trailer with a Toyota pickup?
You’re ignorant. You’re probably picturing some plumber.
I’m literally a fuckin builder mate 😂
You turn up on a job site with a tiny penis truck, you’ll get laughed at the entire fucking day like the stupid cunt you are 😂
Your comment says a lot about your emotional maturity. What’s the towing capacity on this? I’m doubtful you can tow stone slingers and 10K lbs of gravel and excavators with this thing.
Transits are about a 2500kg towing capacity. I’m sorry I don’t know what that is in washing machines because I’m not a fucking caveman with a tiny cock
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How often do you need that capacity? Once every six months? So you’re driving about in a pollution machine the rest of the time for no reason.
I hire a lorry cos it’s cheaper and I’m not an immature idiot that needs a tiny-penis truck
I’m not speaking of myself. Landscapers need them pretty much daily for these purposes. People like you fail to realize the bigger picture and that the world doesn’t revolve around their needs.
It sounds like you’re talking about a work vehicle, as mentioned in a comment to which you replied.
9 out of 10 non-company pickups on the road are hauling huge dicks with tiny penises.
Love bashing those kinds of truck people but it’s weird to me that this is about the only topic where lemmy will let body shaming slide
Probably because it’s metaphorical and not actually about the penis.
Now that I have this giant truck, I own the road, I can look down on everyone, no one can laugh at my personal faults and failings.
Idea that the truck can be used as a prosthetic for the personality is funny but hard to boil down boil down to 4 or 5 words. Male genitals however are euphemistically used all the time to describe (mostly) positive aspects of people. “Big dick” energy, “the balls” to do something, so the quickest way to express that a person is compensating for a lack of something that they know about and are ashamed of, but are unwilling deal with, is a tiny dick joke.
Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
edit: missed a word
Nah small penis jokes are lame across the board sorry
My first car was a '92 Ranger and it was a great little thing to have at that point in my life. It’s really nice to be able to move without needing to worry about how to transport all your stuff to the new place and it was small enough that it still felt like a regular sized car.
The new rangers are pretty ridiculous in comparison.
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Rent a truck the few times a year you actually need it instead of having it for your ego.
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You use a truck every day for your business and you think this discussion is about you?
I use a truck for trucking and I get down votes for expressing an opposing view. This is how ecko chambers exist…
You get downvotes for demonstrating that you do not understand the view you are opposed to. The contention is that given the recent explosion of popularity of pickup trucks, the majority of truck owners do not use their vehicles for purposes beyond normal commuting and thus have no need for the excess danger, emissions, and annoyance of pickup trucks. So by chiming in with “I own a truck and actually do use it for truck things”, you contribute nothing to the discussion
king bed
OH OH OH! I’ve been waiting for this moment! In 2018 I successfully fit a king size matress in a Subaru Outback 2.5l. It just fit, and I had to push my seat up quite a bit but it worked.
You can fit more lumber in a minivan than a Ram with the sausage party cab.
Interesting it’s just trucks that are the problem, and not SUVs as well. Just as large, hell some weigh more.
The spa-burban is a truck.
Is it a 6000lb monster on a truck frame and enjoying the worse/looser safety regs? Then Truck.
I’m clearly not just talking about Burbs. https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1720016/ranked-every-unibody-non-luxury-three-row-crossover/
Most are on a literal “truck” frame. Silverado/suburban for example.
That ignores big unibody SUVs. Most that I’m speaking to are not on truck frames. For example https://www.autoweek.com/news/a1720016/ranked-every-unibody-non-luxury-three-row-crossover/
They are part of the problem too.
They’re also literally a truck with a roof over the bed.
In the US, SUVs are considered “Light trucks” and the same regulations apply to them.
What is the point of a truck you cannot fit a 2x4 in the back?
Satiates societally ingrained Petro-Masculinity for patriarchal men who are insecure about their status as a man in the modern age.
Could have easily said “little dick syndrome”
Nahh that’s misandrist and body shaming. This definition is better.
“I said the same thing using different terms that make me feel clever and moral”
With how PC younger generations are I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not lol
I am not a younger generation and am not being sarcastic. Body shaming men is just generally accepted but it’s not okay to do that to anyone. There are plenty of other equally rude and more accurate ways to say someone is an insecure asshole. We should use them.
We are so different. Best of luck on your adventures.
Petro-masculinity is a brilliant term.
Ya it is ridiculously hard to find a used truck with even a 6.5ft bed, people simply don’t order them. Single cab long bed 4x4 is cream of the crop but they barely even exist
These trucks are no longer than a 1978 Cadillac, wtf designed these parking spaces?
Lmao that is a wild point of reference, buddy.
It’s a way to demonstrate longer vehicles are nothing new, and still being driven besides. This is an urban planning failure being presented as otherwise.
People are still driving land yachts from the 70’s?
No, they’re driving modern urban assault vehicles though.
I use, for my business, a 1986 GMC 3500. It’s two wheel drive, manual, rust free due to maintenance and every bit as long as these “bro dozers” but apparently I shouldn’t be able to park at my suppliers. I was previously using a 8900lb gvw 2500, but I feel like Chevrolet overstated the load rating back then to avoid emissions or something, if you actually try put the 1.5 tons claimed in, the suspension is no longer suspension.
Well yeah. They run well and are quite comfortable, easy to work on. Most problems can be solved in a day without years of training.
Urban planning for what is needed by the majority rather than demanded by the few.
Parking and roads in general are examples of induced demand.
Chances are whatever the size of the average parking space, people would buy cars too long or wide for them.
Chevy Suburban has been produced and sold well since 1960. This isn’t a new dilemma, it’s clearly shitty planning and most likely being amplified by people who don’t own much of anything whining. I lived in that part of BC for 12 years, well familiar with how they’ll try make themselves feel better about themselves via creating scenarios where they are morally superior, not broke losers.
More like people being called out for blocking roads because there’s more of them. If you can’t park in a space, park somewhere else.
If parking is difficult as a result, buy a smaller car or accept you’re often going to walk further.
The average size of car has risen. That’s not automatically something we have to accommodate. The people who bought larger cars always used to live with the consequences and should continue to.
There’s the sanctimonious wankery I was looking for.
From someone defending big cars because some of them are old and doesn’t understand the simple problem is they’re becoming more common.
Look up “tragedy of the commons”
Do you not see how it applies?
Someone in the past thirty years?
I mean that sounds clever if you don’t think about when the vehicles being bitched about were designed.
Parking lot sizes here (de) are growing with the growing car sizes. The idea is that 85% of registered cars of similar type will fit, right now for ‘regular’ cars, the reference vehicle is a 2019 audi a6. Of course that does not mean that all the already existing parking lots have to be rebuilt, that would be crazy.
edit: i assume there are similar regulations in north america.
where the he is (de)? Denmark?
Sorry, should have been more clear.
de = Deutschland / Germany, Denmark would be dk i believe.
Thanks Sagifurious, this person knows his trucks. But provides little to the conversation with their straw man fallacies, and troll like rebuttals.
A great example of a blockable account.
Look at this users profile, review their post contribution. Click the three dots to open the actions, and select block this user.
Blocking doesn’t happen instantly because of cached data in your browser, but it is very effective.
And that’s how we keep this space enjoyable to use.
Classic case of responding not to what is said, but who is saying it. In short…fuck off moron.
People in Victoria want to ban everything. We also want to ban ebikes, off leash dogs, smoking, single use items, leaf blowers, sheltering in parks, outdoor fires, and all poor people. I see a headline like this every week here it feels like
Also bunch of body shaming cunts in here, stay classy lemmy
Get some better examples if you want sympathy.
Off leash dogs are dumb, smoking is dumb and kills people, single use items are a huge waste of resources and source of pollution, leaf blowers are loud as fuck pollute like mad and generally pointless, and for a province that spends the majority of its time on fire outdoor fires tend to be a bad idea.
Fuck trucks
Not looking for sympathy just saying that people who live here will never stop complaining
A lot of people don’t need truck but how in the world is a full ban going to work when majority of contractors use light duty trucks lol. Have you ever been to Victoria? There are so many contractors and so many pickup trucks
Increase the price of trucks maybe? Contractors will just push the cost down to customers and housing will be even more expensive then
And what about the people who live north island and drive their truck into Victoria for groceries/hospital/whatever? Fuck em?
The issue is actually that public transit sucks and there are plainly too many vehicles on the road, not specifically trucks are the problem ha. The people complaining in this article are people who never leave Victoria, I know the type very well
I used to be a contractor as an av installer here in Australia Very few people here in Australia with large trucks need them, and those that do are the people who are useless onsite, especially because they’re too large to park in busy areas, and they cost a lot to run (so you know the person doesn’t do much and gets paid a lot). They’re totally inefficient with productivity.
In fact, you’ll never see couriers use them either because they don’t do anything well (even for cable deliveries).
Here in Australia, there is talk about introducing a new license for them, and it’s well deserved. The kind of people attracted to emotional support vehicles don’t put in effort at all into parking, and they should require extra training and more restrictions . They boast about towing capacity too, so they should be required to train for those capacities
Also, those kind of cars don’t handle driving well either honestly lol, because they’re so heavy. They have more clearance, that’s it. I don’t live there, but I seriously doubt your roads are so bad you need a 4wd and high clearance to get around. Here in Australia, such cars are always perfectly clean and definitely aren’t needed 99% of the time. In fact, the only people whining about roads here in Australia tend to be people justifying their large car, or people with impractical sports cars, and I’m willing to bet it’s an exaggeration there too
There are contractors that should have one, but they’re extremely limited. Either get something for transporting people, or cargo
Type Vancouver Island logging road into YouTube, we really need the clearance out here unless you literally don’t leave the city as I said
People here make money by fishing, logging, that sort of thing
To prove my point look up 4x4 used vehicles on Vancouver Island vs mainland and compare prices, there is a massive demand for such vehicles on the island
Your view of all these problems is too myopic and binary to ever come to a reasonable conclusion on any of these topics.
I think most reasonable people don’t actually think there needs to be a full ban on these trucks. I do think that most people would agree that there needs to be some restriction/enforcement on where they can park. The picture at the top of the article is a good example, they don’t fit in lots of the angle parking spots right downtown. There are small car spots, there are micro car/motorcycle spots, maybe we need standard sized car spots. Big trucks can park in lots where they do fit or on the edge of downtown (I do that in my normal sized car if I can anyways because who wants to pay for parking?). As for your second to last point, no one’s going to drive 3+ hours from the north Island to Victoria to get groceries especially not in these trucks for $150+ of gas. No one would even drive from Saanich to get groceries in Victoria.
I do agree about the transit though, it’s insane that travelling from Nanaimo to Victoria takes an entire day by public transport and anything north of that is simply impossible.
As a truck owner, I also do not need a big truck. I loved my B4000, However there are no small options now, and I can’t afford multiple vehicles. You want solid furniture delivered 150km on a bike? Make the space, but charge for access.
If I were to pay someone to move furniture. I’d get someone with a van.
If I were move furniture myself, I’d rent a van.
The reason smaller long bed trucks don’t get bought is because you might as well get a van. A roof is generally a good thing.
Modern trucks are nothing more than a bodge to get around safety regulations for ordinary cars.
